Episode 8 - Jen and Steve Scholz

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This week, Dave is joined by Jen and Steve Scholz for an episode packed with laughs, stories, and pop culture goodness!

Steve shares his early days as a devoted pop culture fan, while Jen dives headfirst into her emo era. Along the way, Dave tries (and mostly fails) to understand Buckaroo Banzai, and Jen unlocks a deep portal to forgotten memories of PaRappa the Rapper. 

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Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:01

This program has been classified MA. It contains sexual references, occasional coarse language, and adult themes.

SPEAKER_01 0:13

Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it.

SPEAKER_00 0:17

The Dave Vaminish Show! The Dave Vamusko! The Damie Damon Sco! The Damit.

SPEAKER_06 0:37

This is the David Dammit Show. A pleasure to be with you for another week. This week it's gonna be a doozy. I know that I've been talking about cutting down time, but my next guests are so interesting to me. This is gonna be such a self-suck of an interview, but my next guests are absolutely lovely people. Oh no, wait, they're not here. Rather than that, I am joined by very good friends of myself, Jen and Steve. How are you guys going?

SPEAKER_00 1:03

Hello, going well. Witness me!

SPEAKER_04 1:06

Witness him.

SPEAKER_06 1:07

Thank you so much for joining us. Now, for anyone that is, well, pretty much my entire audience, anyone that's come over from Toy Power Podcast, may recognise Steve as the man with the five different last names. So, your schools, shules, shots, shules, what is your last name? Let's go with shoals. Shoals. Alright, shoals like Coles. Thank you guys so much for joining us. Obviously, you have a background in so much fandom, nerddom, everything. Steve and I met many years ago when Steve dressed as a comedian from Watchmen said, Hey, you've got to hire, because I think I was trying to hire I don't know, I think it was I've got such a memory that it was Surrogates with Bruce Willis. And I'm like, this is gonna be fantastic. But Steve dressed as a comedian, is like, no, no, no, Watchmen's out this week. You need to watch this. I'm like, um, not in the mood for a superhero movie, and I got home and it wasn't quite the superhero movie I expected, and I'm like, this man was dressed as the comedian when he handed me this no warning, just you're gonna love this. And I did. Steve Jen, welcome to the show.

SPEAKER_02 2:13

Thank you for having us.

SPEAKER_06 2:14

Thanks for letting us be here in amongst all the toys. So for those that don't know, who are you guys?

SPEAKER_02 2:20

Just a couple of kids, right?

SPEAKER_07 2:23

Yeah, we're just just old school fandom. Back back in the days of you know transferred VHS tapes of Star Trek the Next Generation that were so old that you couldn't even see them anymore.

SPEAKER_02 2:36

Okay, maybe not that far for me, but sure. Um yeah, we've been cosplayers for a long, long time. That's how we met. Um, and then yeah, started a very good friendship and then eventually relationship. So yeah, it's been it's I know, I know. Um so yeah, it's been it's been a cool journey.

SPEAKER_06 2:58

Now, even um many, many moons ago, I reckon it was like one of the first supernovas, my son was absolutely well problematically obsessed with Deadpool. He also loved Wolverine, so he demanded that I make him a Pulverine costume because he'd just seen it in the comic. So we made it, went along to Supernova, and because he was about four or five at the time, everyone made a huge fuss. He got all these photos, and I absolutely love the small town, you know, the big small town that Adelaide is. Only just recently found out that a photo that he had with I believe Lady Deadpool and also Groot was both of you guys. So we've crossed paths in different iterations in different lives. So how long what got you into cosplaying? Um I initially Did you not have friends first and then started cosplaying or other way around?

SPEAKER_02 3:49

Well, I was in high school, so a couple of friends um and me this was the year the Dark Knight came out, and pretty much changed my brain chemistry. So I really wanted to do um a costume of the Joker, but I loved Harley Quinn, I loved Batman the Animated series. Um but yeah, a couple of my friends we wanted to go as a little trio, so we had Harley Quinn, um we had Capwomen, and um and then yeah, I started um going from there and I met some mutual friends, and that led me to the Australian Coshuma's Guild. Um, and that's how we kind of got to know each other um further. But we did meet at a party beforehand, uh, where I was a silent hill nurse, very drunk on the kitchen floor, and I said to him, I love your costume. So that's how we met. Um but yeah, that's how I got involved in in costuming was through the um Coshomer's Guild in Adelaide, and uh yeah, it just really took off from there.

SPEAKER_07 4:47

Well back when the Costumers Guild was kicking.

SPEAKER_02 4:50

Yeah, yeah. So yeah. So that was me. You were a little bit further before that, weren't you?

SPEAKER_07 4:55

Just a bit. Yeah. It seemed logical that my dad was taking myself and some friends to go to the uh um opening night of Return of the Jedi. This is in what, 1983, November or whatever, since it came out later. And I had to dress up for it. There wasn't any question of like, you know, oh, should I dress? No, I had to dress up for it.

SPEAKER_06 5:17

So mum's weird you dressed as Spock. I knew you do.

SPEAKER_07 5:21

But mum made me a little calico top, little judo tiled top, and I made a a wooden belt out of vinyl and that make a stormtrooper belt, and went as Luke Skywalker, and I thought I I thought it was great. I just loved it. My friends wouldn't even walk with me. They were so mortified by my my dressing up that they they were like you know a hundred paces back behind me. And um, but I got to the street lights where the um And is it because your costume was arsless or what's all my costumes are arsless. I mean that just goes without saying, yeah, you know, arsless Indiana Jones. Um there's a little kid that was like, Mummy, mummy, it's Luke Skywalker, and I think I was hooked from that by all my. Oh mate, that would have been it was just like this is what I want to do. But um I was the only one in costume, and that's not the first and only time that's ever happened.

SPEAKER_06 6:13

Worst funeral ever. No, that's awesome. Like, cause you really did live, like you've kind of experienced the duality of like nerddom, because like there was a point where like comic books were for losers, and like sci-fi and all the things that are now glorified, and you know, billion-dollar companies are part of these things. You got to live both edges of the sword. You got to do all this stuff before it was cool. Well, you know, like I remember basically a death metal fan.

SPEAKER_07 6:45

We went to conventions that were just starting out, and um there'd be like 20, 30 people there, you know, and uh just it was very low-key.

SPEAKER_06 6:56

Was it because obviously Adelaide uh often gets the rap of being like a few years behind everyone else.

SPEAKER_07 7:02

So was it did you find it was thriving in like Sydney and Melbourne and you'd have to travel before you ever We we would go to Melbourne on a regular basis to go to sci-fi conventions in Melbourne because that's where they held the conventions. And uh what were they called? What are some of them? Oh, there was Hutcon, there was Galactic Tours, um uh Zen Con. Um look, heaps of them. All with like little little themes and stuff. Galactic Tours was amazing. So they had our full Star Trek Enterprise Bridge in the hotel lobby. Yeah. Um they were supposed to have a big Star Trek guest, but he dropped out and they brought Dave Prowse in instead. Oh no. And he was a filthy prick. And um he wouldn't stop signing shit. It was just like, Dave, will you please fill up? You mean literal shit.

SPEAKER_05 7:48

Get off the footpath signing that dog shit.

SPEAKER_07 7:50

Everything. I've got I still opened books today and I've got Dave Prowse's autograph in there.

SPEAKER_05 7:55

No, you just stole books from him.

SPEAKER_06 7:57

It's like property of Dave Prowse. You're like mine. It was that as well. That would have been awesome. Like, but what what year are we roughly?

SPEAKER_07 8:06

Okay, we're looking at about eighty six, eighty-seven for Galactic Tours.

SPEAKER_06 8:10

So how much would it have cost, let alone like to get to Australia for them back in the day? Like, it's it's insane that it even started to begin with.

SPEAKER_07 8:19

Well, I mean, these um fan run conventions would have one, maybe two guests, and maybe three to four hundred um attendees. Yeah. And uh held in a hotel, and it was very secure and safe environment because we weren't out in the wilds, so to speak.

SPEAKER_03 8:38

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 8:38

But uh they got bigger and bigger as time progressed, and yeah, it was uh it was the golden years, because you know, we'd we'd have fun all day at the convention, then we'd go back to our hotel rooms and get crazy drunk and have crazy fucking parties to all hours of the night. It was it was amazing. One night we were sitting drinking, and um bloody Kenny Baker comes wandering into our room and he's just off his tits, and uh he just he just plonks himself down in our in our group and he's like and we're just like stunned because we don't know how to deal with a small drunk Kenny Baker, and uh eventually he just realized he was in the wrong room. I don't know, he just wandered off off to look for more uh interesting conversation because God knows we couldn't understand him. That's insane.

SPEAKER_06 9:30

So you obviously both cosplayers, fates align, you meet each other. Did it change your approach to cosplaying? Did you still do do you still do individual costumes or how's couples' costumes played into your cosplaying?

SPEAKER_02 9:44

Well, I my cosplaying um time kind of ran its course, but Steve, every now and then You realize it's for fucking losers. Yeah, okay.

SPEAKER_06 9:53

Did you oh there's a quote for the episode?

SPEAKER_02 9:56

It's not.

SPEAKER_06 9:56

Thanks, Jen.

SPEAKER_02 9:57

It's not. Um uh yeah, so my I don't know, it kind of ran its course for me. I still love it. I love my cosplay friends. I'm very like, it's still kind of involved in the community.

SPEAKER_06 10:08

Just realised you were better than them. Okay.

SPEAKER_02 10:10

Yeah, I'm I'm better than them.

SPEAKER_06 10:11

But spread the word, people.

SPEAKER_02 10:13

That's right. But Steve, every now and then will wrangle me into a costume, um, like organizing a costume for something. It's mostly Mad Max related. Um, but otherwise we can, you know, just kind of throw stuff together and and just create something. So yeah, I'm s I'm still open to it. The door is is cracked open. Um but yeah, so but yeah, we mostly do like if we're if I'm gonna do a costume, we're gonna do like a couple's costume, aren't we? So yeah.

SPEAKER_06 10:42

No, that's what and because you know, Steve, you've kind of become the the um you know the go-to man for cosplay in Adelaide in the sense that it's like Well, maybe once upon a time. No, no, I mean now, still to this day, because it's like, where can you borrow this? And it's like I might know a guy. And like, much like when we did the radical rewind screening of the Road Warrior, you were like, Do you guys need 700 costumes? Because I've everybody's got 700 Road Warrior costumes in their collection. It was weird you made me wear the Arsless Chaps backwards. It was very drafty. Just look like a butterfly. There's just two balls and just a strip of picture that, ladies and gentlemen. Uh, don't forget you can give me money to do this podcast now that I've told you about my balls and chaps. So let's find out about you both with some of the questions we have for the guests. If you had a MySpace profile right now, what would the profile song be? Jen.

SPEAKER_02 11:38

Me, okay. Uh so it was a big emo back in the day, not not surprising. So it'd probably be all there. Oh, yeah, so it'd probably be a Mike and romance song, um, either Cemetery Drive or Head First for Halo's. Um, yeah, big emo. But yeah, love MySpace. I wish we could bring it back. Yeah, it was a good time.

SPEAKER_06 11:58

Steve, what post-apocalyptic themed song have you chosen for your profile?

SPEAKER_07 12:03

What the fuck is MySpace? No, seriously, I have no goddamn. I've heard of it.

SPEAKER_06 12:10

I do love for how deeply you are into nerd culture. You are not chronically online like the rest of us.

SPEAKER_02 12:17

He's not. I had to convince him years ago, um, over ten years ago, to get a Facebook profile just to connect with people. Um, yeah, he's living in his own little world.

SPEAKER_06 12:28

Now he spends all day commenting on advertiser articles and fighting with poor power fans. That seems to be old Facebook is now.

SPEAKER_04 12:37

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 12:37

You know what kids like it? They like wooden coat hangers with crochet on them. I'm still with it. I'm still here. Nice Steve. If you had to put a song on a website that was about Steve, what song would it be? Oh, good lord. Um, I didn't answer that question. It's Raining Men. Oh, yeah, that'll do. Nice. Who would you cast in a movie about your life and what would the film be rated?

SPEAKER_02 13:02

I picked Florence Pugh, who was in Midsummer. She's done heaps of stuff, but love her acting. She's got a lot of range.

SPEAKER_06 13:09

Um and I don't care how successful she is. Your last name's Pooh Lady.

SPEAKER_02 13:14

I don't care what you say. Pooh. It's Pooh.

SPEAKER_06 13:18

You're a fantastic actress. Not taking away from any of your accomplishments. That says Pooh.

SPEAKER_02 13:23

Don't shame her. Okay. Uh, probably MA 15, I'd say. Not the full R, but uh yeah.

SPEAKER_07 13:30

Steve. Alright, I'm gonna change my answer. It's Bill Paxton because he's just like the fucking greatest, most cowardly motherfucker in the universe, and I love him. And I recently listened to a thing from um Michael Bain saying what an incredible philanthropist he was.

SPEAKER_06 13:46

Yeah, I saw that as well.

SPEAKER_07 13:47

He was like an artist and just um yeah, sort of like dealt with performing and um you know uh oh just he was one of encouraging the art.

SPEAKER_06 13:58

He was one of those character actors for myself where I knew him for like these likable, you know, goofballs, basically. And obviously he was aliens and everything that he did. There was always still a bit of it was a bit of a loser constantly. And then like as I got older, seeing things like frailty and stuff, where he's just the most gritty, yeah, like over-the-top, like trauma-inducing performance. It's like, oh, this guy can act.

SPEAKER_07 14:22

Yeah, no, he's got some skills, he's got some depth, and we don't really see that because we're used to the character actor that he he was, and that wasn't really his personality, which we can only go on Michael's say so on that one. Yeah, I believe it.

SPEAKER_02 14:34

Well, when you're the poop the poo creature in weird science, you know, that's a pretty standout. I got Steve a figure of that a couple Christmases ago. I couldn't believe I found it. I was like, they did a figure of this.

SPEAKER_06 14:46

Did you make it yourself? Gross.

SPEAKER_02 14:49

No, I purchased it online.

SPEAKER_06 14:51

Steve, do you have any two-part epoxy? Gross. I'll be right back. Do you either of you grow up with posters on your walls?

SPEAKER_02 15:00

Yes. Um, I couldn't tell you any of the music mags that I used to you know cut the posters in. Probably was blunt, I'd say. Yeah. Um, so I primarily had like slipknot, corn, then I had MCR, my comical romance, uh, you're gonna say MC Hammer. I was gonna fist bump you, but you just lost it. I can't talk about MC Hammer. He's he's a very serious man.

SPEAKER_06 15:25

That man is too legit to quit, I've heard.

SPEAKER_02 15:27

That's right. Um, and then I had some Doctor Who, I had a massive Freddy Krueger poster, and some Rocky Horror.

SPEAKER_06 15:34

Alright, bonus question to both of you. Who is Doctor Who to you?

SPEAKER_02 15:37

David Tennant. Nice. Absolutely. I'll pay that. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 15:40

Tom Baker. I knew I why did I know that without knowing that? That's yeah, that makes sense. I remember on New Year's Eve on ABC back in the day, staying at my NANS, and they showed that movie that was about um New Year's New Year's Eve with Tom Baker in it, and I think there's like several doctors in it.

SPEAKER_07 15:58

Blew my mind as a kid. But I if if to what I'm thinking of, Tom Baker wasn't actually in it. He he they used outtake footage from one of the episodes that uh and yeah, that he refused to be a part of it. They've got photographs. They had to do that.

SPEAKER_03 16:13

Well, not him off.

SPEAKER_07 16:14

They had photographs of all the doctors together, but Tom wouldn't do it, so they brought a mannequin in of Tom to be part of the group.

SPEAKER_06 16:22

So I hope it just had a face cut out crudely just on the mannequin and it's not big enough.

SPEAKER_07 16:28

It was pretty decent. I mean, if you looked hard, you'd realise he had a real suntan, but uh yeah, apart from that. Posters on you all growing up. Alright, the first one I remember for sure is the Star Wars um poster magazine that came out, the first one.

SPEAKER_06 16:40

Yep.

SPEAKER_07 16:41

And um had a couple of rails and pins and had it hanging up and everything. And remember one day mum tried to clean it up by cutting the edges off. And I was so horrified I run to the incinerator to try and find the the bits she'd cut off. Sticky tape them back on the edge of the poster again. Oh, you got there, you got it. I've still got the poster with the sticky tape on the edge. Good job, Patty. Yeah, good job, Patty. And um also a Raiders of Lost Ark one sheet. Um, somewhere along the line I did discover a guy that was selling movie posters, and um every now and again I'd get like a cool poster from this guy, you know, just that was like ten bucks or something like that. Yeah, and Raiders was one of the first ones I got, and now I still have that poster. That is even with the pinholes in it.

SPEAKER_06 17:23

Do you guys remember your first celebrity crushes?

SPEAKER_02 17:27

Absolutely.

SPEAKER_06 17:28

Um Can I try and guess?

SPEAKER_02 17:30

Go for it.

SPEAKER_06 17:32

Devin Saw?

SPEAKER_02 17:33

No, babe.

SPEAKER_06 17:34

No, further back or further forward.

SPEAKER_02 17:37

Well, I'll I'll tell you. So is David Bowie from Labyrinth because you know, because cock, yep, okay, yep. It's don't try and pretty it up. No, no, no. It's it's true. I especially remember being at a friend's house and we watched it at her in her home cinema, and I was like, yeah, this is it's a lot of package. He's packing. But yes, loved him. Uh loved David Bowie in general.

SPEAKER_06 18:00

Um and people can check out your new podcast, Hoggle and Dong.

SPEAKER_02 18:04

Don't tell him that's what I'm saying. That's a great name for a podcast. You'll have to coin that.

SPEAKER_06 18:10

Sounds like a uh a folk band. Yeah, I'm going to the Grace Emily to see the Hoggle and Dong. Anyway, sorry, continue.

SPEAKER_02 18:17

Um, I had Tim Curry from Rocky Horror. Saw that way too young. Um, but yeah, love it, still love it. Cameron Diaz from The Mask, and Johnny Knoxville from Jack Arts.

SPEAKER_06 18:28

That red dress from next level is uh a time. And uh funnily enough, I had a post of Johnny Knoxville as well. Did you really? Yeah, it's the one of him shirtless with the aviators getting a tiny um alligator under his nipple. And I was like, My dad did not like that boast at all. I'm like, what's your problem? I love chicks. He's a like ripped dude with an alligator on his titties.

SPEAKER_02 18:52

He's a beautiful man, he's aging well.

SPEAKER_06 18:54

So he's doing very well. If you were a wrestler.

SPEAKER_02 18:58

No, no, no, you have to ask Steve.

SPEAKER_06 19:00

Fuck that guy. Have you met him before? Sorry, Steve.

SPEAKER_02 19:04

I have unfortunately.

SPEAKER_06 19:05

Celebrity Crushes and why wasn't it Princess Leia?

SPEAKER_07 19:08

I'm no, no, not at all. Um, I'm hard pressed to try and remember.

SPEAKER_06 19:12

Um, we'll just say the six titty dancer from Max Rebo's band. No, that's who we're pinking. No, no.

SPEAKER_07 19:20

Um, I've I've settled on Barbarella because they used to play a shitload of sci-fi after Star Wars came out on TV.

SPEAKER_06 19:27

Barbarella Zero Gravity. I think that's potentially one of the most attractive female humans of all time. Oh my god. That specific scene. It doesn't get enough celebration.

SPEAKER_02 19:39

Have you watched the movie recently though?

SPEAKER_06 19:41

I have.

SPEAKER_02 19:42

It's it's not great.

SPEAKER_06 19:43

There's no surprise it's Duran Duran are named after that film. Like it makes a lot of sense. It's like, oh, this just weird. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 19:50

Love that.

SPEAKER_06 19:50

But Zados and all those movies that I'm assuming that Steve loves.

SPEAKER_02 19:54

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_06 19:55

That yeah, it it it's part of it.

SPEAKER_07 19:58

But that was so good. They would every channel would dredge up any piece of crap that was science fiction to play. And um you got I just got to see everything. It was fantastic.

SPEAKER_06 20:10

I got obsessed with science fiction in the mid to late 90s. Sorry to show my unage there, Steve. Um I remember going through like a lot of like obviously started all the prestige stuff down to the garbage one. There's one that I is the most you sci-fi I've ever thought of, which is Oblivion, which is a cowboy movie, but it's also science fiction tinged. The main bad guy was like this green, like Prince Zizor kind of character that was the it's fantastic. We've got to find it anyway. Um, but then I also found like your lesser stuff, and then my older cousin that was he was a huge fan of Dune and a whole heap of that kind of stuff, got me into the show The Lex or the Lex. Oh my god, that thing's insane. And I also recently tried to revisit that, and I'm like, I've got to stop revisiting stuff because I'm really ruining all my rose tinted glass memories of that kind of thing.

SPEAKER_07 21:00

I mean, look, look the same thing can be said for my obsession with Space 1999, Battlestar Galactica, Buck Rogers, they're bad shows. They're they're I mean, I every now and again will try and watch an episode, it's like wow, but it looks great. The ship designs are incredible and the aesthetics are incredible, but it's it just you just can't.

SPEAKER_06 21:21

The shitty sci-fi I love like time tracks and stuff from the 90s. Same thing. You go back, oh no, what what happened? This cost two dollars to make. Why does it look like this? Incredible. If you were a wrestler, what would your theme tell me?

SPEAKER_02 21:35

Um, going back to just me being a big emo in my teens, it's probably gonna be the downfall of us all by a day to remember. Nice, nice.

SPEAKER_07 21:44

Steve Uh the theme music from Much Ado About Nothing.

SPEAKER_02 21:51

Which we had at our wedding. Very cute. But it doesn't give wrestler.

SPEAKER_07 21:57

No, no, it's that's that's that's that's my wrestling. style.

SPEAKER_02 22:01

Just just uh hobby horsing.

SPEAKER_07 22:03

Yes, hobby horsing into the wrestling arena with uh my my crew oh goodness first concert you ever went to first concert I ever went to was the OG Wiggles in Norwood Town Hall.

SPEAKER_02 22:20

I was three I don't remember at all but that's what my grandmother told me and uh then I was so fucking off your tits. I was I was just made I was milk drunk it was lit it play some cockroaches it was lit we were in the pit it was great um I remember going to a I don't know if it was like a big day out but it was a big day out adjacent concert um with a family member and it was pink when she had the her black hair and Natalie and Braulia that's all I remember so that was my first concert and the audio was terrible. I've got a suggestion yeah sounds like it's called shit fest yeah it probably was it's music they play in the grocery store yeah so yes and I'll go to the next question but we'll do them together okay best concert best concert was 2006 Taste of Chaos I was 13 I went there you went there I did was that kill switch the used no okay no this was um taking back Sunday Thursday anti-flag under oath sayosin census veil yeah that that's that's the DVD version concert that I have but I never went to that one it was great and yeah that was the first concert I went to by myself with um my friends and that was like my grandmother rocked up like she dropped me off in her car and there was just a sea of black like all these teenagers all these little emos um and she was like oh okay this must be the place and I remember we did the wall of death and there was this girl in front of me and she was very short bless her and we went to go like we're all hyped up and we're gonna run into each other and she tripped and fell um and she went underneath my leg so I grabbed her and while we were all running and I was getting pushed I was dragging her under my legs yeah and I eventually anyone watching that would have looked so deliberate.

SPEAKER_07 24:18

Yeah yeah like wow what a monster can't handle it stay out of the pit out of the pit it was great it was wonderful Steve first concert best concert all right um a queen tribute band that's best that's the first concert I remember going to not a big music person didn't go to a lot of concerts Jen's dragging me off to stuff left right and centre which I'm really enjoying but yeah that was that's I love your entire marriage is built on the dynamic of you forcing Jen to do shit she makes you go to one concert go this is fucked I did take him to my chemical romance in 2023 and it's that's gotta be that has to be camp enough to come alive he became a huge fan so I've done my job. Yeah I saw an interview there like we're not the most theatrical band we just do it really well yeah sure sure Gerard yeah but my favourite concert was my first year at Wasteland weekend with uh attack headlining and it was pure chaos it was the energy was insane we've got the Thunderdome going off over there we've got the main stage happening with all these incredible bands but the one I blew my socks off was Attack all hail the Crimson King yeah no songs that I knew or recognised but it's like after they sing the first 10 seconds like you've known this song all your bloody life and then you've got everybody is just dressed up in their finest wasteland attire and they're waving shotguns and crossbows and axes and shit all around in the air and then there's the And that's just at the airport and then the mosh pit's going off all the war boys are smashing their heads in in the middle of the mosh pit and then we get chromed by Tim at the end of the show and it's like oh my god this I I'm I was literally losing my goddamn mind.

SPEAKER_06 26:13

I've got to ask because obviously for those that don't know what Wasteland weekend is it's fucking basically burning man on meth times 10 Mad Max theme like you know post-apocalyptic just in the depth insanity what is the flight home like what are the emotions like because you know when you're a kid and you play with like a cap gun or firecrackers and then after you stop playing everything's just the volumes just turned right not because you've just damaged your hearing but the world just seems too quiet after that yeah what's the flight back to Australia after well it's not so much the flight but when you get home and you realize it's all over and it took me a while to realise this and it becomes part of that surviving wasteland vibe is like you will go home angry.

SPEAKER_07 27:01

You will be angry for quite a while and you won't know why and then you'll figure it out I'm not at fucking wasteland anymore. I want to be back there. I'm dreaming about it all the time and it's like this this this is this is all wrong this every life is upside down. I want to be back in the dirt I want to be getting hurt every day you know this is not good enough.

SPEAKER_02 27:23

He really sells this festival for me to say getting hurt on out I still haven't been so one day one day we'll go but I'm a proud indoorsman so not for me. Not enough sunscreen in the world for me it's American sun it's piss weed like actually my favorite joke over there is for every American it's like you know why is American beer like making love in a canoe because it's fucking close to water oh lord what format was the first music you remember owning Jen I had tape so I once again just showing my youth I had the wiggles and Peter Coomb and Peter Coon signed my tape because I went to his um his concert but yeah I had um on CD Britney Britney Spears and Spiceworld so that's yeah very nice I still have them nice yeah well um LPs lots and lots of soundtracks for movies on LPs till about 1984 when Ghostbusters broke the mould and they started putting more songs on instead of instrumental scores.

SPEAKER_06 28:31

Yeah and it was like huh kind of a change for like soundtracks. Oh it was bullshit yeah it was like you know you go I want to get I want to get this soundtrack I love the music for this film and then you get like oh a song that was all three seconds in the movie which is now I love how how much I love you and how wrong I think you are right now like and different strokes are different. Soundtracks are the yeah needle drops as they're known now way better than I don't want to hear what Han Zimmer's doing to this movie. Give me the fucking prince song about Batman fuck this no I I get it that is pretty awesome it was a it was a shock to the system it was like goddamn I want the music for this film someone starts singing you like what the fuck is this I didn't buy Ghostbusters too for Bobby Brown.

SPEAKER_02 29:22

I wanted that dun dun dun dun dun jazz what the fuck Death Row last meals all right so mac and cheese I love mac and cheese love that's the movie about the little alien yeah yeah yeah yeah that's exactly dad jerk oh goodness um garlic bread because it upsets my tummy and I can't eat it so I'll just smash the garlic bread I know I know you'd be farting on the electric Why is it sizzling? We haven't even turned it on yet you boys um farts are funny sure that's the name of the episode it better be it better be quoted as you saying it cosplayers suck and farts are funny you would ruin my sushi I love sushi I can just if I'm on a a desert island and there's only sushi to eat I'm fine with that.

SPEAKER_06 30:21

Tell you what if you're from garlic bread to sushi before getting put to death you've ruined some janitor's fucking life this is true.

SPEAKER_02 30:30

Masimum curry, okonamiaki my nan's trifle um and sticky date pudding so you just love shooting that's right of a gastronomical nightmare literally yeah this is like conversations with Steve that's what's I've changed the name of the show it's not the damage this is we wee boo boo welcome Steve Death Row last meal all right absolutely okonomy that that that is a meal that um but is it the Hiroshima it has to be Hiroshima Okonomiyaki so we got a directed Lone Wolf in Cub that's right yeah yeah I know it well and then what is it tell me what it is I'm a white guy from the Outback I need a bit of a culture Okonomiyaki they do it um differently in different regions of Japan so w so explain explain it like I'm not a wanker.

SPEAKER_07 31:21

Well imagine a an office block and on every floor there's like a dozen little tiny booths with a massive huge grill in it and a little wizened man behind the grill who and all of them have got little themes. There's a frog theme and there's a baseball theme and there's a yakuza theme and um and it only sits like maybe six, maybe eight people and um okonomyakis cooked in front of you on the big grill and um it's essentially described as a Japanese pancake but it's nothing but it's a Japanese mountain of food. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 31:58

Cabbage noodles, teriyaki sauce, bacon, bacon and seafood yeah it's pretty much you can pick and choose what you want. And a lot of the um the one that we went to uh yeah we the first one we went to was the frog themed one so they had all little frog uh creatures like little toys everywhere not real frogs I thought you meant in the voodoo I was like what the fuck no that would be problematic and uh and yeah you can either choose to make it yourself or they make it in front of you and they spend like 10 minutes, 10, 15 minutes making it.

SPEAKER_07 32:30

By which time you are well and truly drunk.

SPEAKER_02 32:33

It's amazing. It takes up pretty much the whole plate.

SPEAKER_07 32:35

It's yeah yeah it takes up the whole grill. Yeah it's amazing and then they put um kelp dried kelp on top of it and it writhes and heaves as it as it sort of reacts to the heat and it's like oh my god my food is alive.

SPEAKER_02 32:47

This is fantastic we were very embarrassing Westerners when we went um in 2023 when we got engaged because I was filming them doing it and I could just hear Steve and he was like two curan beers deep and he's like oh yeah oh yeah put that kelp on I was like there's people there's other people around us there's children around us like maybe sir the chef has us asked you to stop whispering yeah slut the whole time he's making get it get it put it in put it in art favorite store growing up that's easy video easy blockbuster movie land I love sanity as well it's all online now but it's not the same I remember thinking sanity magazines were like legit like journalism yeah why is every album good sounds crazy why why is the box set of one foot in a grave the best thing that this guy's ever seen Steve um it was the black hole bookshop I don't know if you remember that at all it would have been before my time um I would catch the bus to balacl uh from Balaclava to um Adelaide and if you miss that busty get home again you're pretty well truly fucked.

SPEAKER_06 34:03

Yeah um but that was that was all I'm picturing there's loose chickens bouncing around like Jones yeah and um getting to that shop was always key.

SPEAKER_07 34:15

They sort of had a mixture of books and comics and toys and all sorts of nerdish stuff and it was about the only shop that carried all that stuff for a long time. And it then just kind of disappeared over time. It just um got swept away. But um yeah that was that kicked arse. It was great I've got my little blade runner spinner matchbox car there. I wish I'd bought the rest of them now.

SPEAKER_06 34:38

One day you stumble into a lost in time corner shop that's got everything you can ever remember like everything you've ever loved.

SPEAKER_02 34:47

I have given you enough money to get a drink a snack and an ice cream what are you getting so I'm getting cobber's if you remember cobbers I used to get them at my tuck shop they're like a caramel with like chocolate covering I miss them.

SPEAKER_06 35:01

You're showing your age and you're just skirting around saying that you want to buy Werther's originals. They're not the same they're not the same anyway cobber's definitely um sunny boy ice cream well good answer yes yeah and then uh sprite ice if you remember sprite ice I think it was a very limited run but it yeah it was very refreshing did it have meth in it probably I wouldn't be surprised it was the 90s so yeah that's my answer she stole my Sunny boy I remember having sunny so it's good I didn't post it because it didn't look very good but I recently bought two things of coconut milk from uh the big Woolies grocery I'm having a stroke grocery store just because they came in sunny boy packets oh really cut it put the coconut water back in the bin where it comes from filled it up with orange cordial and made two sunny boys I've got a perfection nostalgic man no the shape is part of the flavour yeah you have to cut your mouth on it as well that's the yeah so I'm still in the R D stage but I'm making my own fucking you're bringing them back I'm bringing them back you're bringing them back well you've got to be able to suck the uh the the orange flavour out and just leave the crust crystal ice ice it's yeah if it doesn't do the the um what is it uh hush put no what is the what's the ice and the cordial drink something puppy slush puppy oh if you can't get all the flavour and have nothing but shitty tasting ice and it's gotta be not just nice water ice it's gotta be like the side of an air conditioning unit from the 90s ice be like this can't be good for me that's what um um I'll get there let us know how you go you'll see yeah you'll see all right all right so we got the Sunny boy um and then um 10 cent bag of lollies what kind of lollies a 10 cent bag of lollies I don't care what's in them it's a 10 cent bag of lots of you know remember back in the day 10 cent bag of lollies was four kilos of lollies of every variety that's right and fucking fucking black cats it's like who's the monster that put these in any mix I don't mind that and the drink port Portobello I freaking love that I can still get it so good have you had the blue one though mate no like blue haven I think it's good highly recommend did you grow up with any video game consoles Steve I'll let you go first this time I had a Commodore 64 and I barely knew how to use it.

SPEAKER_07 37:45

Um we did have the Attack of the Mutant camels as a game the only one I remember and I remember that because one of my friends managed to reprogram it so that it was like little all terrain armored transports and it was like this is great but yeah that you'd sit there for three hours waiting for the tape to download the game to play and it was lame as hell but um yeah there we go Commodore 64 Jan give us a rundown on every Sims game ever this is very important so I still have them all so I've got PlayStation one still works great um oh I don't have my PC button what's the iconic game for you for PlayStation 1 Parappa the Rapper baby Parappa the Rapper I still have it I recently found a poster in a magazine on the back of it you know the way in the back they always had like the advertising for Parappa the Rapper and I had not thought of it for years before it's so good it still stands up.

SPEAKER_02 38:41

Crash Bandicoot warped in particular those are probably the PS1 games um yeah and then I was a big PC gamer so my dad like had a computer room so yeah it was like the communal like PC room and you don't mean computer you're just super woke playing your uh PlayStation one yeah yeah yes great joke thank you very good um so we would play um we would play things like Stronghold and then me and my cousins would play The Sims Hot Date stuff like that and then yeah we eventually got a PlayStation 2 and I was playing things like The Warriors Scarface as well is excellent. Any any Scarface game that has bear margarian yeah yeah I'm I'm all so good and he just drives around asking girls if they like ice cream and most of the time they say no but one time I found a girl that was like I do like ice cream is like I didn't think anyone liked ice cream in this town so and then you tried it in real life and got arrested so Rockstar they need to remaster the Warriors in Scarface. I used to be so obsessed with the Warriors game I'd finish it just to play Armies of the night the game inside of the game yeah it's so good and just the whole intro how it's like shot for shot of the film it's amazing.

SPEAKER_06 40:00

So yes very good what's the best Christmas or birthday gift you ever received?

SPEAKER_07 40:08

Space Lego fuck yes it was great I mean I've got correct answers there vivid memories of a birthday party and um getting a whole shitload of space Lego and it was yeah stuff was like next level it was incredible.

SPEAKER_06 40:23

It absolutely was and yeah it was just I used to play with Space Lego and the knights and just make like this conglomerate of both and it was it was fantastic. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 40:35

So I still have it because I've I've kept a lot of my stuff from my childhood um so I think it's what's that like haha so I think it's called the big bird talking magic um toy it's pretty big and it's a bird. It's a bird so this was during the big bird craze because no one gave a fuck about Elmo. I don't think Elmo was really around at that point. So yes it was all it was all big bird mania at the point at that time. I was a slimy the worm guy oh really and um you could put a cassette tape in its bum.

SPEAKER_06 41:10

So like a cricket doll or a um Teddy Ruxpin.

SPEAKER_02 41:14

Yeah yeah and its mouth um moved and I was I've got like footage of me as a kid like just being so enamored by the animatronics on it. So I still have it it works great. And I looked it up on eBay they're going for like $350 $400. So I'm not I'm not prepared to sell it though because I love it so much.

SPEAKER_06 41:31

So I burnt out my sister's cricket doll. I don't know if you remember that one by putting a Peter Andre tape in it and it burnt out burnt out just too many syllables like that. It's too much yeah so yes I love that very nice in your phone right now obviously Steve uses a rotary phone still how many unread emails you have a can with a string at like oh dang it I'm gonna walk over there and hand them this canvas. Are you a monster like myself or do you keep on top of all your notifications?

SPEAKER_02 42:07

I'm pr I'm keep on top of it although I did I recently got a new iPad and it connected up to my email and it was like 13000 but I'm like I I don't know if that's just promotional or what but yeah I usually keep on top of it. So very nice. Yeah Batman got his name from a fear of bats using the same logic what is both of your superhero names well I didn't want to put spider woman because it's too you know on the nose obviously so probably arachnid woman. I hate spiders I hate 'em but I'll just get Steve to like I don't want to kill him I don't want to kill him and I know everyone's like oh they're scared of you I don't I don't care I just don't want them near me.

SPEAKER_06 42:50

My dad was uh like being from he was from a small town called Bulkanya but it was like it's not harming you just leave it I'm like I can't be in the house because there's a huntsman in here and you're gonna that means there's no other spiders well that's still one too many.

SPEAKER_02 43:02

Do we all forget being told as kids like you're gonna swallow six spiders in your lifetime or whatever like I don't want to I don't want to see him like but I don't want to kill him well I went and ate eight daddy long legs just so right it's done now so most of the time I have to get Steve to move him out of the house so yeah well I'm terrified of heights and the that like to the point where I I'm just just done we watched the fall and that was an interesting experience.

SPEAKER_06 43:33

Couldn't get through it why would you climb up there? My legs wouldn't let me and not just because of physical exertion. Apparently nah no way that was ridiculous.

SPEAKER_07 43:42

But so I came up with um uh acrobatman for based on our acrob um acrophobia and then make it acrobat and then acrobatman so I like it my my husband everyone marketing genius so there's like you know Batman standing up on top

SPEAKER_06 44:00

with a ledge and it's like oh fuck no some my algorithm online occasionally goes do you know what you'd like here's some guys running along the edge of a skyscraper and doing flips and general yeah no you're wrong this isn't a lady with big boobs dancing I'm not interested like people who do spelunking as well I'm like this is a choice you can choose to go and do this and then you can just be stuck there forever. Yeah it's it's hard to this is heartless this is the heartless section um it's hard to feel sorry when you hear like such and such got stuck spelunking it's like oh they went in a an uninhabited cave down in the ground underwater and they got stuck yeah how did that happen yeah what were the elements that oh because they did it fuck you like people have choices in this life well I'm mildly obsessed with people climbing Everest and dying that's the best bit just climb Everest and die does I saw a news story only last week that some team made it all the way up in like a day and I'm like imagine flexing on those people that like I've lost both my feet trying I tried twice and I lost one foot and then I lost the other or it is funny you see like those like rich philanthropists that are like look I climbed to the top of a thing and it's like yeah but for every one of those there's 12 that some poor Sherpa dude had to run up with you strapped to their bag.

SPEAKER_02 45:24

And are there still people on Everest who are past?

SPEAKER_06 45:26

Yeah and there's they say it it is a garbage mountain.

SPEAKER_02 45:30

Yeah like the moon just garbage everywhere yeah garbage garbage choose one film and one song for the entire uh world to enjoy well I picked the 1996 classic Crash by David Cronenberg it's a classic not to be mistaken with the 2004 crash um like this movie about racist cops what the fuck is this not not promoting that one at all but yes I love I love this movie it's got James Spader loved James loved him since secretary when he still had a hairline he was look he's a beautiful man um I love like I used to because of the pervert I was I'd just go through the newspaper go through the TV guide there'd be an N or an S in brackets next to a movie that was rated MA I'm like all for it.

SPEAKER_06 46:29

Oh yeah I accidentally watched so much Cronenberg because he's like do you want some nudity? Here's Ed Harris's balls I'm like this isn't boobs and body horror I cannot handle.

SPEAKER_02 46:40

I remember like a a family member was like here watch the fly I think it was like at 11 and it traumatised me.

SPEAKER_07 46:49

Absolutely but I still love it Jeff Goldblum I went to the preview of the fly at the Chelsea I think it was and we went in costume and that meant making doing makeup effects the brundlefly the brundlefly effects but we'd used um dough flower dough as a as a kind of structural element covered in um tissue paper and latex see it's not fair now because the people can just go to the store and buy like what Rob Bouteen used or you know what Rick Baker used.

SPEAKER_06 47:21

You you had to invent this but we back in my day.

SPEAKER_07 47:25

The mistake was the the buildup of the brow and the and the cheeks they kind of sunk together.

SPEAKER_06 47:32

So we're trying to watch the film and our eyes are getting closed by the weight of the we just look like when the Millennium Falcon in Empire's flying out of that worm's mouth you're like why is the screen just getting shorter and shorter the cave is closing. Oh goodness good oh sorry did I say song wait yeah okay it's your turn oh it's my turn for the song yeah cool all right uh plain song by the cure I love it I love the cure they're next to my chemical romance or my favorite band it goes for like five minutes like I imagine myself driving in a car like at night cranking that song it's great it's really good very nice well something for the world to enjoy safety dance nice it appeals to everybody it's fun it's got instructions on how to be safe while you're dancing it's amazing and it's so you don't need hats you don't need hats either no it's it's amazing maybe some sort of our our generation was introduced that through the uh cinematic classic biodome so and then um the best movie um walk hard the Dewey Cock Story hey there are so many jokes in that I think about all the time nothing is better than when he's trying not to relapse at the at the uh awards ceremony and he's like all committing he goes damn it the temptations and the temptations are there's fucking sting into it comedy goal two hours setting that joke up it was ridiculous you don't want none of this we don't want no part of it's like constantly using the whole um he needs more blankets he needs more blankets so we need more dogs we need less dogs we need more cans we need less cans evolves over time I don't get what anyone says that is an unsung classic that film and one day it'll get the uh revisionist history that so many of these cult films get I think is I fucking love that but John C.

SPEAKER_07 49:34

Riley actually goes out and performs as Dewey Cox.

SPEAKER_06 49:38

I mean God apparently he's touring again doing Dewey Cox that's fantastic but there I was like there's so much money he's on the phone and there's just a giant cock in his face I'm revisiting that this weekend I love that well I've it's great it's popped up on Prime now finally and um every time I've got a client is like have you seen Walk Hard and it's like yeah they weren't putting walk hard on it every time I've watched it we're just putting it on wrong sundae alright and finally what is a movie the more obscure the better that you loved and you hold so highly simply for the fact you had taped it off television back in the day all right well um I really we didn't get a VHS player until really really late in the piece.

SPEAKER_07 50:27

Yeah one glorious piano player yeah who projected the organ the gramophone I'm not even joking we had an organ um but I yeah it wasn't until like 1516 so I didn't grow up being able to record films. So it was just an episode of eat carpet off Vestia I did however have a real to real tape player that we used to tape all sorts of crazy shit off TV with. And every now and again we go back and listen to something from a few years ago I was like wow that's that's crazy.

SPEAKER_06 50:59

And I used to tape um theme songs off of TV and that and and and splice them all together so I have a whole you know 90 minutes of theme songs from TV shows and stuff and I do love remembering I was taping Space 1999 once and I've got mum in the background going you come to dinner it's like oh yeah Mum I'm just taping Space 999 capsule of your life though like honestly that's I I do like that you're almost like in a Jurassic Park cliche kind of way like life finds a way you found a way to enjoy these things with limitations of technology you're like just gotta move that dinosaur and I but I yellow submarine and silent running that were they were two that I I think I did tape off at one point and got to re-watch them yeah just just love them.

SPEAKER_07 51:51

They're just so great Jen.

SPEAKER_02 51:54

I also had yellow submarine but um my grandmother taped it but it was missing the first quarter of the film so I never saw it um the film and its completion until I was a teenager and I just love that movie.

SPEAKER_06 52:08

It's funny that that was the way we grew up then because I had half of Taking Care of Business the uh Jim Belushi movie I was like this is my favorite film and then years later I was like what's this movie what's this Jim Belushi movie on TV?

SPEAKER_02 52:23

I've never seen it got halfway there I'm like oh this is taking care of this yeah and then I also had um uh something called the Princess and the cobbler which was also known as the thief and the cobbler which was sounds like a risque sex move well it was kind of Disney Fied it's an animated film um it it it's got Vincent Price in it he's incredible he's this character called Zigzag um and yeah the animation is stunning but it was never finished and then this company came in and Disney fired it and put songs in it um so yeah I found a copy but it was just leftover songs from Songs of the South this is problematic not that bad um but yeah so I ended up finding a copy of it on VHS recently at Toy Fair and the to the vendor I was like I will give you whatever money you want I need this and I think it was just 30 bucks and I was so excited so yeah it's it's great.

SPEAKER_06 53:20

Very nice thank you for taking through the journey of your life so far.

SPEAKER_02 53:24

That's right.

SPEAKER_07 53:25

Um Yellow Submarine I still can't get over the fact when I discovered it wasn't their voices.

SPEAKER_06 53:30

Yeah it wasn't the actual beetles voices they're impersonators how good would it be for the Dewey Cox's uh Beatles voice oh that'd be good I've got scene because they they um improvised it and because they didn't know much about the beaters they just kept saying their own name he's like I'm drawing a number for the beatles that's one of the best bits in here in India you're a big fat cunt right here we I asked you guys to come up with a list of some albums and movies that meant a lot to you didn't have to be the absolute favourites but we will be celebrating and starting with one of Jen's choices from 1994 it is an alternative industrial rock grunge soundtrack from the film The Crow featuring the cure nine inch nails Stone Temple Pilots Rage Against the Machine Pantera Violent VEMs Rollins bands basically a t-shirt of someone you'd avoid on the bus in the 1990s it was certified platinum platinum everyone fingers their bottom about burn from the cure on this album. Yeah it's incredible why have you chosen this album?

SPEAKER_02 54:50

Well initially I had the cure disintegration album but lovely villain visage took that and I didn't want to rain on her parade Love You Loose. You said you hated her before we started oh yeah sorry sorry don't try you love you love you loose um so yeah I the next I was like okay thinking what's another album I love and I feel like I'm kind of cheating because it's a soundtrack but the soundtrack is so good it's so good and Burn is incredible. I love the cure obviously um yeah I remember hearing that and it kind of changed my brain chemistry a little bit so it's just a great lineup of songs and artists like Rage Against a Machine you know Jesus and Mary Chain it's so good. So yeah I I would I would say it's probably one of the best movie soundtracks of all time and it's very reflective of the film itself it's very grungy and then it's got like the light parts which are reflected in certain songs of the soundtrack.

SPEAKER_06 55:47

Yeah it's very very well I've I've actually heard that if you put it on on a rainy day your fingernails will turn black without Steve let's turn to movies and go back to 1995 a movie that was always presented as a huge failure. However directed by Kevin Reynolds approximately cost 175 million at the time it was touted as this massive financial failure but it grew so much buzz about everyone hearing about how bad and how badly it did. It actually made its money back plus some on VHS. So even though it became a punchline of all like late night talk show hosts it was joked about in The Simpsons all the time about what a failure it was we're talking about Waterworld.

SPEAKER_07 56:35

Tell us why you picked this movie Waterworld incredible it is it is the last of the big non-CGI epic adventures and the fact that it's post-apocalyptic in a ludicrous setting does not hurt it at all. Do we tell him it's Mad Max on water or oh look I know it is it is Mad Max 2 on water beat for beat for beat yeah there's nothing original about this film and even in the um original scripting and everything it was like yeah let's make a Mad Max on water and that was what was thrown to Roger Corman to try and make his oh I can't afford to do that that's too expensive.

SPEAKER_06 57:12

I do love like because this was because this came out at a time where you didn't hear much about the behind the scenes of making films and stuff. But I remember being a kid and you'd see like some like kind of entertainment like little matinee showing you know when sometimes sports would finish like either 15 minutes early or late on TV they'd then put in a feature air I remember seeing a feature of uh the kind of the making of Waterworld where they're like alright here's they're like first day they're like here's the atoll we've built how fucking sick is it it's all practical it floats its thing and then they're like jump carton is like oh it all blew down on the weekend from a hurricane Davy take a step back here boy the atoll did not get damaged.

SPEAKER_07 57:58

The smaller slavers atoll that's in the later part of the film was in fact sunk and rebuilt um but the main huge For those things Steve just pushed his glasses further up his nose to tell me that this is we were discussing this earlier that nerds have only one thing and that is knowledge. And if they use that knowledge to strike down an opponent they uh that then walk away with their head held high and a gold medal on their chest.

SPEAKER_06 58:22

But um I think this is Kevin Sorbo's best movie.

SPEAKER_07 58:26

Suck my dick Costner Oh look Kevin Costner is an asshole.

SPEAKER_06 58:31

It actually took I love that he had to be flown like everyone had to stay like somewhere local which was kind of limited because they were out in the middle of like the ocean basically and he's like no fly me to a five star resort every night well they could get away with it they would they were just throwing money away that's typical Kevin Costner behaviour. I still and it's it's funny the things that resonate with you when you see a movie as a kid every time I see like a freightliner coming in through the port I imagine people rowing it like I just that is always stuck with me.

SPEAKER_07 59:01

Well one of the coolest things I discovered was um the original filming model that they used in Waterworld of of the derelict Exxon Valdez um ended up well they filmed it out at the um Mojave Desert airplane scrapyard right and they did all the filming and the explosions and everything there and just replaced all the water but the ship stayed there it never got moved away. So apparently with weeks to go even at like a a scant amount of time it was going to be destroyed somebody found it and resurrected it and grabbed the bow and the stern of the model just fucked off with the model. No no they got permission from the thing and they rebuilt the the bow and the stern onto some caravans and it ended up at Wasteland weekend. So that's where the um the uh swimsuit competition was always held and uh I I crowdfunded a little bit to sort of help it get moving forward so I got some sections of the water world plating from the thing. It was just it this is amazing.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:05

And talk about the bikini competition what you wore oh I I mean well I my first year I did a kind of um underpants version of Z Wes which was really dumb.

SPEAKER_07 1:00:17

One of the later swimsuit competitions I did Zardoz.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:21

So um I didn't I think you would rock that I managed better than Bert Raddock he doesn't have as much chest hair though it's not that accurate.

SPEAKER_07 1:00:30

It was good though. But I had competition there was somebody else there dressed as Zardoz as there really yeah except I was the only one that had a helmet. And didn't you have to give your helmet the other guy was circumcised it got wrecked on the way right so um I just gave it to a mate who was like oh my god that's a great Zardoz helmet it's falling apart.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:49

I don't care I'll have it such a crazy movie I watched that recently it's nuts.

SPEAKER_06 1:00:53

It's a time it's a time it's a time it's awesome I wouldn't go that far back to music back to Jen let's go back to 1994 an album that was categorised as hip hop where even the artists have like you know they want to shed that thing we're talking about Porter's head's dummy their debut album won the 1995 Mercury Prize frequently appears as a greatest album I'd never heard of this really to be honest and my uncultured ears I'm like this is for fans of massive attack and fans of Bjork.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:30

Yeah yeah yeah absolutely um so I remember where I was when I found this album I was at my dad's house and at back in the that time I when I went to go to my dad's house on the weekend that was the only time I had access to the internet so I was like on rotten.com I was on like pretty much anything you can imagine. Okay Jen we believe you I was and um I remember seeing something about the genre trip hop I remember Google Googling it and I was like what's this?

SPEAKER_06 1:02:01

And I found Porter's head and I found Massive Attack and D DJ Shadow and I was like oh my god this is incredible thinking it was like typical hip hop initially ambient it is I don't know what you'd call it I I just say like listening to because I was into the album this morning like a lot of skipping and stuff but I was like this is just teardrop by Massive Attack like more this would fit to a movie.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:25

Definitely and I I thought it was a you know a really underground I because obviously I had no other context for it. And then I saw it in Tank Girl um when she's having the sand shower and they use Rhodes and Rhodes is one of my favorite songs and I was like oh my god they're using Porter's head other people know about this band and uh and then yeah a couple of my friends are like oh you know we we love the band so yeah I they've always stuck with me since I was a teenager. I love Beth Gibbons. They also did a um a live album in Roseland New York City and I put that on every now and then her voice is incredible. Yeah it's just amazing and that album in particular is very like reminiscent of like being an angsty teenager at that point and yeah say what you want about the sound of the album like nowadays you can just write you know I want this drum sound I want this drum sound this was back to the time where they went out and recorded just hitting a 44 gallon drum with a pipe.

SPEAKER_06 1:03:23

Yeah burnt it burnt whatever you do because I'm not that old onto record melt it onto vinyl I guess they would then loop it and basically did it analog style.

SPEAKER_07 1:03:37

Yeah which is fucking insane that's a lot of work nowadays you can just yeah do it in a second yeah so yeah I I love it it's definitely in my top albums um yeah some of the like the tracks like Wandering Star and Sour Times I've always put on but yeah love love it love this album it's amazing their body work is incredible and they're still going so yeah very nice back to Steve time to talk more movies we are gonna talk about the prequel to Deligh tell us about Dune yeah that talk was fucking great because you took forever to get it as well I'm very proud of myself end of the episode we're done Davy Davy Davy Steve proceed I'm sorry I actually now feel I'm now ashamed of myself Steve tell us about and I'll try to be respectful of David Lynch I thought we were talking about the Timothy Chalamet one yeah yeah as much as much as as fantastic it is to have a new version of Dune spread over three films um the 84 Dune is like just a precious precious thing um we went and saw it back in 84 we'd we'd catch the bus go and do some shopping squeeze three films in and catch the bus home again and it was like I think that yeah that that particular trip was like Star Trek three Dune and god what else maybe Ghostbusters it was a good day and um oh man it was so I'm actually jealous extraordinary I still in my heart of hearts I watch Ace Ventura where nature calls and Mortal Kombat the movie in the one day the greatest day of my life other than having kids and shit um but honestly that's an insane day oh it was just days like that all the time it was you know we'd have no other opportunity to see these films. Yeah so that was it um it was just unexpected um complicated long Scientology Star Wars and um but visually just absolutely stunning but every little bit of dialogue is absolutely crucial for telling the story. Not a single syllable is wasted. And um it's loaded to the gills with awesome actors who are just maybe starting out early on, but just and oh damn, just Kyle McLachlan is fantastically fun. He's just he's just a goofball in the whole thing. Love him. Yes, I know you love him. You hide it very well.

SPEAKER_06 1:06:21

That's how I know every time Fallout's back on. I'm like, you're posting about Karl McGlue.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:27

I love him.

SPEAKER_07 1:06:28

But oh my god, it just but it's a film that was so derided when it came out, it had so many haters.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:35

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 1:06:35

And nowadays it seems like the tables have been very seriously flipped.

SPEAKER_06 1:06:40

It's it is really funny, and you would have like seen it more so than me. Even the movies I grew up loving in the 90s that I knew were garbage, they've all of a sudden had this revisionist history happen where it's like this has always been a classic. It's like, nah, everyone hated that when it came out, I remember.

SPEAKER_07 1:06:57

Like, yeah, it's it look, it just um blows my mind, and um I'm so thrilled I got to see it in the cinema. I wish to God we'd seen it again when they were playing it for the David Lynch Film Festival, but we were getting married that week, and it was just there was no cancelled, no, we could not prioritize it. But I've gotta say, if you like Dune on YouTube there is a a fan edit called the Spice Diver Cut, which takes all the stuff from the Alice Smithy version, um, the extended television version and the regular Dune and cleans everything up, adds special effects so everybody has blue eyes. Fuck yeah. Um and re-editors it so delicately so that we don't get giant exposition dumps. Um often Paul will use the library book to study a thing, and there'll be a bit of information pop up briefly, and it's all built in organically into the film.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:52

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 1:07:52

And the person who's edited this thing together is nothing short of a genius. It is so eloquent and so beautifully done, and um it's just like my god, this is this is amazing. It fills all the gaps in.

SPEAKER_06 1:08:04

So you you spend your time looking at fan cuts of like prestige films like this, and I'm like, my version of that is like back in the 90s, like finding a picture of Britney Spears' face edited onto a naked lady, like on Kazar and Limewine. Like I was like, this is the best.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:21

This is quality content.

SPEAKER_06 1:08:23

Like, hey, the fans have got it right this time.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:26

You should see the toys that we've got for Dune as well. Like, they're they're really ridiculous. We do have um the sandworm.

SPEAKER_07 1:08:33

The sandworm's fantastic. The posable sandworm.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:36

It's it's probably one of the weirdest figures we have in the collection.

SPEAKER_06 1:08:40

Shy halo. Shy halo. I only know that because the Season song from Tales.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:46

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then, yeah, the I ended up getting you a little poll to complete your collection, and yeah, they're great figures.

SPEAKER_07 1:08:53

Oh, they're fantastic.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:54

And we have a pop-up book too, which is very cool.

SPEAKER_07 1:08:56

I got a whole shitload of Dune paraphernalia. It's fantastic. It's so good.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:02

Off market.

SPEAKER_06 1:09:03

Bubble bath, the Matt LeBlanc fan film, How You Doing? Let's go to 1995 for one of Jen's choices. Directed by Paul Verhoven, the man behind Robocops, Starship Troopers, Science Fiction Royalty. Let's talk about his titty movie. We are talking about Showgirls from 1995, starring Saved by the Bells of Elizabeth Berkeley, Carl McLaughlin gets another say, and Gina Gershon. Why didn't you marry me in the 1990s when I wanted you to? This one, the record, seven golden raspberries at the Razzies. Tell us why you've chosen this film.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:45

This is such a comfort film for me. I will just chuck it on if I'm like, oh, I just want to watch something that I've seen before and want to kind of have it on in the background. And usually ended up, I end up getting just tangled up in it and just have to sit and watch it. It's such a fun film, even though it has some dark moments. It's it's such a it's so over the top. The costumes are amazing. Elizabeth Berkeley went for it. She she she went for it.

SPEAKER_06 1:10:13

It's her second greatest performance than the caffeine addiction episode of Say by the Belt.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:18

That I'm so excited. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Um yeah, I just I love it. Her chemistry with Gina, undeniable.

SPEAKER_07 1:10:27

The violence towards food. The violence for food too.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:30

Yes, the burger, yeah, yeah. She wasn't happy.

SPEAKER_06 1:10:33

So um the first major studio released NC17, which was the considered the death knell for films in the 90s.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:41

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:10:41

Paul didn't give shit. Yeah, no. If I can have this man melt and get hit by a car in my robot cop movie, talking about dancing and fucking, this is gonna be fine.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:52

Yeah. I feel like it as well, this is another one of those films that has made such a comeback and obviously was not appreciated at all at the time. But Elizabeth Berk Berkeley is getting her flowers finally. Um, but yeah, I just I I love how dramatic it is. I love the glitz and the glamour, the ending, you know, she just um without spoilers, but yeah, she she just goes back to the start and it's like, oh, okay, all right. Yeah, it's it's great. It's a great film. Everyone should go watch it, go watch it now. The sex scene is ridiculous in the pool.

SPEAKER_06 1:11:25

When they released the um the reboot of Save by the Bell, they actually make a joke where Slater says to her, like, hey, remember that summer where you like moved to Vegas? We don't talk about that. It's such a good callback.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:41

That's perfect, yeah. And this is another one that I remember seeing in the video store, the poster, um, like similar to the Demi Moore one as well. Yeah, strip tease. Striptease, yeah. I remember seeing them and be like, What's that about?

SPEAKER_06 1:11:53

Dancing at the blue iguana. If you need a list, uh I know a guy that has a problem.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:59

Yeah, love it, it's excellent. Yeah, it is, it is, it's my kind of film, all right.

SPEAKER_06 1:12:06

No Casper Van Diem and no arachnids. It's bullshit. But you know what? There's other stuff I do like. It's cinematography, it's Gina Gershaw boobs.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:17

She's she's amazing.

SPEAKER_06 1:12:19

It is a good time.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:21

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:12:21

Steve, it's time to talk music, something you said you don't like.

SPEAKER_07 1:12:24

I like music, I just don't understand it.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:28

He's just he he's a soundtrack man, aren't you?

SPEAKER_06 1:12:31

Monty Python's contractual obligation album from 1980. Tell us about it.

SPEAKER_07 1:12:38

Well, this is that formative kind of experience where um I got introduced to it by some friends' older brothers, and they had quite the range of uh Derek and Clive and uh Monty Python and all these sort of very naughty ones, because you know you couldn't say words like um you know those words on on Monty Python's Flying Circus. And here they were saying it on the on the LP. It's like, oh my god, this is so naughty, this is so rude, this is fantastic. Um so over the years I can't even remember exactly what sketches make up which records.

SPEAKER_06 1:13:22

Um so the notable ones on this one that have been listed as the greatest sit on my face, Bruce's philosoph philosopher's song, Finland and Henry Henry Kissinger.

SPEAKER_07 1:13:37

Well, the ones I remember I my favourites all got taped off and made into a compilation cassette, and um those I listened to endlessly. But I did own my own version of Contractual Obligation, and that was really fantastic. There was one album in the series that they did that had three sides. So you could play side one, side two, and if you put the needle How the fuck does that work?

SPEAKER_04 1:14:03

If you put the needle down, it's like the the edge of it.

SPEAKER_07 1:14:07

If you put the needle down at exactly the right time in exactly the right spot, it will play a hidden third track that goes for about 12 minutes.

SPEAKER_06 1:14:18

Don't understand that uh primitive technology doing that.

SPEAKER_07 1:14:22

It was it was so hard to get because you would put the needle down and he would always get side B. Yeah. But every now and again you'd get this I don't remember this bit. It's playing a whole different piece. It was so good.

SPEAKER_06 1:14:37

Um We used to just have to listen through like 10 tracks of silence in the CD days.

SPEAKER_07 1:14:43

Well, they had like my favorite would have been um the uh medical song, um, which I only recently discovered it's got more verses to it, which is really great. But um, it's because most of them were doctors and very quite um educated people, yeah. Um they wrote the most gruesome song featuring just medical terminology for every single venereal disease you could possibly imagine.

SPEAKER_06 1:15:08

The gallows humour that only like medical professionals would have.

SPEAKER_07 1:15:12

And it was so good. I mean, inflammation of the foreskin reminds me of his smile. I've had paranoidal chancroids for quite a little while. I gave my heart to MSU that lovely night in June, and at least we both were smiling, and it's just fantastic.

SPEAKER_06 1:15:31

That's your husband.

SPEAKER_02 1:15:32

That's my husband, everyone.

SPEAKER_06 1:15:34

Nah, awesome. Uh let's look at another movie, a selection from Jen.

SPEAKER_02 1:15:40

From Jen.

SPEAKER_06 1:15:41

We're going back 1987.

SPEAKER_02 1:15:43

Good year.

SPEAKER_06 1:15:44

BDSM, sexy, scary, yeah, man. Everything. Tell us all about Hellraiser.

SPEAKER_02 1:15:50

I definitely wanted a contrast between the two picks. Um I'm very serious about this film. I love this movie. Clive Barker is a genius. Um, it's yeah, BDSM, freaky people, Cenobites, uh, Doug Bradley is amazing. His dedication to Pinhead over the years is, you know, to be commended. And then they've got the new video game coming out. Um, so yeah, I love this film. This is one that I show to people regularly if they haven't seen it. And yeah, the special effects are amazing by Bob Keane. And uh yeah, it's just it's gruesome and it's you know, sexy.

SPEAKER_06 1:16:34

One of the strongest horror outputs that has potentially the worst sequels ever put to a franchise.

SPEAKER_02 1:16:41

The second Hellraiser is really good. It's I'm I'm just saying, it's really good. You get to see.

SPEAKER_06 1:16:46

Anything that spawns a music video with Lemmy playing fucking jazz against Pinhead.

SPEAKER_02 1:16:52

Absolutely. I'm for it. It's great. Um, you know, you get to go to hell and then Dr. Channard, he's he's really cool, his design's really great. Um, but yeah, I always go back to the first one. Um, yeah, I love this movie. Definitely recommend anyone to check it out. But yeah, it's a lot of body horror. Uncle Frank is like a freak show. And uh yeah, uh Claire Higgins is Julia, like she's uh such a great villain and such a consistent character, uh, character through the franchise. Um, especially in the in the second one, she gets all gruesome and disgusting. So yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:17:27

If only they got her back for the fat pinhead space one.

SPEAKER_02 1:17:31

Could have fixed that.

SPEAKER_06 1:17:33

They got real bad.

SPEAKER_02 1:17:34

Was that the one where Doug Bradley wasn't in?

SPEAKER_06 1:17:36

He wouldn't, yeah. Yeah. There was two. I think it's not bloodlines, it's it's something like they got to the point where like we're gonna lose the rights if we don't do another outfit. Kind of like the Warren Beatty thing with Dick Tracy, yeah, where he just he puts out a 10-minute movie every like five years so he doesn't lose the property.

SPEAKER_02 1:17:53

And the and Pinhead was like, it was a mask, wasn't it? It was an overhead mask. Yeah, it's it's crazy. But it has great action figures. My favorite um action figure that we have in my collection is a necker Dr. Channard, um, and he's got the real like the weird head contraption. We picked that up just a couple years ago. It's so good.

SPEAKER_06 1:18:14

My favorite xenobites, the I shoot CDs and DVDs out there.

SPEAKER_02 1:18:18

Yeah, the the new metal centipede.

SPEAKER_06 1:18:20

Yeah, like fuck yeah, kill someone with a significant other by Legend.

unknown 1:18:24

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:18:24

We're going back to 1984. A film starring Peter Weller, John Lithgow, Ellen Barkin, Jeff Goblin, Christopher Lloyd, Clancy Brown. It's a who's that of character actors. They all went on to have massive careers. This movie is fucking weird. Steve, please explain to me the adventures of Buckaroe Bonzo across the eighth dimension.

SPEAKER_07 1:18:51

Well, it all boils down to one thing that the uh the electrodes from Planet 10 have come through and pretended to be the war of the worlds. And now they run young propulsion systems. In the meantime, we've got Buckaroo and the Hong Kong Cavaliers and the Blue Blazer Regulars all teaming up to fight the invasion. It's straightforward. That's we need to medicate. Do we grab his tongue? I don't know what to do, right? Look, it's the first time I saw this film, I did not get to see it in the cinema, which forever kills my soul. Um, but finally, finally got it on DVMD my ass video. VCD. V VHS and got to watch it, and I had been dying to see this film, and it made zero sense. Yeah. Literally watched it for the first time.

SPEAKER_06 1:19:44

I was like, what is I don't what that is my one and only time with them like, why are all these super famous people in this weird as fuck, whatever this is?

SPEAKER_07 1:19:54

But they weren't super famous yet. Yeah. They were on their way up, they were just beginning to get it. That's what got them over the line. But there's um I watched it again and I watched it again, but the crust, but the the whole crux of the um entire plot centres on a very quiet little moment when Jeff Goldbum figures it out. He literally whispers the story, and it's like, how did I miss that? There's so much stuff going on. Um, but it's it is just an um an out-of-control film with so many layers. You know, you welcome to a film that's been going for three hours already, and we're not going to show you the previous three hours, but he was just going straight into it.

SPEAKER_06 1:20:34

It's a perfect that really is. I'm like, did like I feel like it's almost like I could picture the editor sitting down and their dog grabbing a reel, and Ronnie's like, no, no, I need I need that.

SPEAKER_07 1:20:45

That's exposition that makes it all make sense. Uh it's it's just such an incredible film, and it it is if anything has had a renaissance, it's buckaroo. It's it's spoken with a kind of reverence now that is uh associated with um the Sistine Chapel.

SPEAKER_02 1:21:00

It's absolutely I have I've watched it twice. It's still it's the first time you watched it didn't count. It's it's a struggle. It's a struggle.

SPEAKER_07 1:21:11

It is it is nothing short of just that moment when a filmmaker's just let off the leash and allowed to just let their brains run rampant and and just have fun with it. Yeah, and you can everyone's just really digging their roles and it's just oh my god, it's just it's just it's transcendent. It's such a great film.

SPEAKER_05 1:21:35

I just need to know the combination of drugs today to enjoy it that much.

SPEAKER_07 1:21:40

Well, this it's recently been revealed. Um I watched it going, have I got learning disability?

SPEAKER_05 1:21:47

Wait, what the I don't understand what's going on. It looks cool, but what the fuck is this? Um It's a prog rock album put to a sci-fi book.

SPEAKER_07 1:21:58

That's a good good um estimation. Um it uh there's the same roast writer who created it, um, also wrote Big Trum Little China, and it's been established that Jack Burton was also a blue blazer regular, a member of the team. Yeah. So um that's that's a nice little thing there. So um look, it it it it's a film that has to be seen. Yeah, preferably in the presence of someone who understands what the hell's going on.

SPEAKER_06 1:22:26

Yes, I would definitely I'm picturing a packed Odin pausing the film every 15 minutes, you getting up the front like uh fucking old um like pattern in your leg. You just like, what's going on here?

SPEAKER_07 1:22:43

But you gotta explain why there, why is there a watermelon there? There's a watermelon in a hydraulic press, they run past in the middle of an action scene, and one character asks the other character, why is there a watermelon there? I'll tell you later. There is an explanation for that. I'm not getting into it.

SPEAKER_06 1:23:00

Oh my god. Alright, let's go to your final choice for this week. Steve, Jeff Wayne's musical version of War of the Worlds. Tell me about it.

SPEAKER_07 1:23:10

I grew up with that. I don't even remember where I first encountered it. Um they did do like a little video Monty sort of thing, like a video clip. Yep.

SPEAKER_06 1:23:21

I remember the the visuals of the three UFOs in the tripod and stuff. Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 1:23:25

So that that was they did a little single for it, but um at some point I very, very early on picked up the double soundtrack album experience, and um it just it blew my mind. It was so good. I've always loved War the War of the World story and to have it executed in such an incredible way.

SPEAKER_06 1:23:46

Even I have a nostalgia for this. My cousin had like I used to go through all his records, it meant nothing to me. There was like just I don't know any what's aha. I'm not going through all this stuff, but I vividly remember listening to War of the Worlds on record and scaring the shit out of me. But then also falling in love with the Star Wars disco album, uh Miko or whatever it is.

SPEAKER_07 1:24:05

Yeah, it's a good time. Oh, look, I I love it. Um, its highlight without a doubt is the Thunder Child sequence. That that song comes with so much power, it gives me chills every time. And only a couple of weeks ago, um, somebody popped on YouTube a home animated thing that they'd done. Not AI, this is something he'd animated himself, and it was an in an improvement upon one that he'd done years ago, and it just gave me chills watching this and listening to it, and imagining what they could do if they did the film properly in the proper setting with the proper Victorian um experience.

SPEAKER_06 1:24:47

Let the Buckaroy Banzai guy have a go at it. Look, they just gotta adhere to the original story. All they need to do is put music to the ice cube version of War of the Boys that came out last year. Because you know what? I haven't had as much fun as I did watching that in a very long time. Wow. I couldn't even get through it. It was it was excrement. There's no exaggerating how bad that movie is, and that's I loved it because of it. I was like, what the fuck? Believe it or not, that is all the time we have. I bet we could find some more time. Oh, if only, if only. Please, please return. I would love to have you guys wait.

SPEAKER_02 1:25:32

If you'll have us.

SPEAKER_06 1:25:34

Both of you. Oh, you're busy, Steve? That's okay. No. Um, Steve, tattoo guy. Tell us about your tattoo studio.

SPEAKER_07 1:25:45

Alright, well, if ever if you're ever in the uh mood for a a fun tattoo experience and and um the day is yours. Um And it's not just a clever title, it is a toy room.

SPEAKER_06 1:26:00

Tattoo Emporium.

SPEAKER_07 1:26:01

Yeah, the toy room Tattoo Emporium is a space surrounded literally by thousands of toys. And you know what? The movies don't have to be good to have toys. Well, I know I got a lot of them. But it's it's been great. I've I've been running the studio at home now for just over seven years, and um it's an amazing experience. I I can't believe how fortunate I am that I get to do this. Yeah. Um, I've got fantastic clients, and um, yeah, it's it's yeah, I I just love it. It's it's incredible.

SPEAKER_06 1:26:39

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