Episode 7 - Villain Visage

Killer Klowns! A Ghost! A Black Parade! This week on TDDS, Dave sits down with longtime friend and creative powerhouse Villain Visage to talk life, art, creativity, and everything in between. It's spooky, hilarious and packed with stories. Strap in this one's a wild ride!

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Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:01

This program has been classified MA. It contains sexual references, occasional coarse language, and adult themes. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to the David Dammit Show for another week.

SPEAKER_03 0:38

It's great to be with you, and I'll tell you what, my guest this week, uh, no pressure whatsoever, but the entire franchise weighs on the shoulders of my next guest because this next guest has worked with me creatively through every endeavor I've ever done. Basically, I have forced my guest today to be a part of Dave's Video Graveyard Radio edition, Dave's Video Graveyard Podcast, uh Radical Rewind, the Chaos Countdown. She was a host. We are joined by Villain Fassage, cosplay extraordinaire. And you know that I'm being honest because if there's a cosplayer, a particularly female cosplayer, that doesn't have their boobies out all the time, and I still love their work, you know that that comes from an honest place. Villain Vassage, how are you?

SPEAKER_01 1:29

I'm so good. I'm so excited to be here. I can't believe you're letting me on another podcast.

SPEAKER_03 1:34

Well, that's it. I've I need to set a base level. All the guests have been good so far, so I was like, better reach out to Lynn. You need to bring it down a little bit.

SPEAKER_01 1:41

It has to have a certain amount of shit, and I'm here to do that.

SPEAKER_03 1:45

Well, here you go. Speaking of shit, for those that don't know, who is Villain Versage? Shit. Perfect. Good.

SPEAKER_01 1:52

Player, um, I don't know. Wannabe fashion designer?

SPEAKER_03 1:57

Creative Jill of all trades, I would say.

SPEAKER_01 1:59

Something like that. Yep. But uh master of none for sure.

SPEAKER_03 2:03

You don't need to say that then, it's implied. People have seen your work, they know. You recently did a cosplay of Shorty from Killer Clowns from Outer Space.

SPEAKER_01 2:13

Yes.

SPEAKER_03 2:14

Perfection.

SPEAKER_01 2:15

Thank you.

SPEAKER_03 2:16

You should be very proud of yourself.

SPEAKER_01 2:17

I'm so it took so much quilting and effort to get that dress together. It was four days just for the bodice and sleeves, and I was kind of freaking out that I wouldn't have it done on time, and I'm so stoked with how it came out.

SPEAKER_03 2:28

It looked fucking epic. Honestly.

SPEAKER_01 2:30

Don't know how I pulled that one off, but I'll take it.

SPEAKER_03 2:33

I like the idea that someone goes to Comic Con cosplayer, and as much as I know you would love for the scene to thrive, I love that someone would quit because of you. They'd be like, oh, I can't do that.

SPEAKER_02 2:43

Never mind.

SPEAKER_03 2:45

As they they put their peel off the plastic bubble like cowboy suit or something. Straight in the bit. So what's been happening in life? What's going on?

SPEAKER_01 2:54

Um, attempting to start up a small business, which is very rewarding but very scary. Um, a lot of money that I haven't made any return on yet, but that will be happening soon. Um, so that's so exciting. That's with Villain Valentine. So we have like bags, fashion accessories, and then your normal like artist alley fair, keychain stickers, stuff like that. But it's all stuff I like. So you're gonna get a lot of ghosts and my cam and stuff like that.

SPEAKER_03 3:20

Fantastic, awesome. So we sent through some questions for everyone to get to know you. Obviously, for a lot of the stalwart DVG guys, you are very well known. You're a very uh known quantity. We all love you and respect you.

SPEAKER_01 3:34

And they're all so nice to me. Exactly.

SPEAKER_03 3:36

Well, we all love and respect you when you're in the room. It's uh when you're not around that we say the real things, but anyway.

SPEAKER_01 3:42

As you should, because I don't want to hear them. You keep that to yourself.

SPEAKER_03 3:45

If you had a MySpace profile today, what would your song be?

SPEAKER_01 3:49

I said Hold Until Ma by Pierce the Veil because when I was a Tumblr girly, that was the song that I had embedded into my profile. So I figured that sort of translates over to MySpace pretty easily.

SPEAKER_03 4:01

Yeah, I was gonna say, so look, Tom Tumblr was kind of the uncensored continuation of what MySpace began. Absolutely.

SPEAKER_01 4:07

And I I taught myself how to code so that I could have like the best-looking Tumblr blog that you've ever seen. I was very proud of that. I taught myself HTML code.

SPEAKER_03 4:16

I actually paid money with photo buckets so that it didn't run out of data each month if my background loaded too much. So I appreciate the uh the thing. So good good song. Who would cast in a movie about your life?

SPEAKER_01 4:30

I said Catherine Newton because she's one of my favourite actresses currently, and I think she has that like quirky weirdo vibe that I think you would need to be able to put me on screen accurately enough.

SPEAKER_03 4:45

I think Andy Circus would do a great villain visage, to be honest.

SPEAKER_01 4:48

Oh, he would. He would it would be very golem-esque, I fear.

SPEAKER_03 4:52

Oh, you know what? Could all be rendered in AI because a lot of people don't realise a lot of what you're doing, and including with your small business, is all AI joking.

SPEAKER_01 5:00

Story than Joke lad.

SPEAKER_03 5:04

Growing up, what were the posters on your wall? They're probably still there. They're probably still there.

SPEAKER_01 5:10

I I wish I had more of them still. Um a lot of them were ripped from like Rock Sound magazine or even like Total Girl. But we had like My Chemical Romance, we had Black Failed Brides, we had Dave Grohl was up there.

SPEAKER_03 5:26

Dave Grohl made it.

SPEAKER_01 5:27

Yeah, congratulations, Dave Grohl.

SPEAKER_03 5:30

There mustn't have been anyone interesting in that month's blunt magazine.

SPEAKER_01 5:35

But then we had like I had this giant my chem poster that I still have of the main five at the time members that I got from a Royal Adelaide show because that was like the one time of year we could get band tees and like the belts and stuff.

SPEAKER_03 5:51

The amount of overpriced teas that I bought from that Asian man with the big giant rock on it.

SPEAKER_01 5:56

Exactly.

SPEAKER_03 5:57

I love he's still going. I saw him at last year's show. It's just the mullet's now silver.

SPEAKER_01 6:01

I love that. I love that.

SPEAKER_03 6:04

Consistency is king. Uh, do you remember your first celebrity crushes?

SPEAKER_01 6:10

So my first ever one, and I don't even know that I'm old enough to have a lot of things. We all know it's Jar Jar Bings. Actually, it's from the same series. I remember watching uh Star Wars episode one with my brother, and I I don't remember how old I was, but it must have been like six years old, and I turned around and went Anakin's kind of cute. So it was Jake Lloyd's Anakin, it was like my first ever crush.

SPEAKER_03 6:41

And I was gonna say, still to this day, you get horny watching Jingle all the way.

SPEAKER_01 6:45

Um, and then I was you know a preteen and it was the Jonas brothers and uh Linda Cardellini in Scooby-Doo. You're only human, and then I was thinking back too, and we took this trip to the Gold Coast one year. I think I was maybe eight or nine, and we went to get a photo with the DC heroes, and mum made me stand next to Catwoman. I remember feeling like so shy to stand next to her. Like I think that was my first ever like revelation as a kid that like, oh women.

SPEAKER_03 7:20

I love that Linda Cartellani's in your list, but that wasn't the it was Catwoman that was the uh there is there's the moment in person, I was like, oh, and then I wouldn't stand next to her for the photo. That's so funny. I had the same thing when I first met Rolf Harris when I was younger.

SPEAKER_01 7:38

All my days, and he would have loved that.

SPEAKER_03 7:40

If you're a wrestler, what would your entrance music be?

SPEAKER_01 7:44

I had thought about this a lot because I prior to my disability diagnoses, I was very convinced I was gonna try out and be a wrestler. Yeah, um, so I always wanted fighter.

SPEAKER_03 7:54

You and Axe Massacre back in the day.

SPEAKER_01 7:56

That would have been sick. Um I always wanted fighter by sumo psycho.

SPEAKER_03 8:00

Nice. What about now?

SPEAKER_01 8:02

Still.

SPEAKER_03 8:03

Still?

SPEAKER_01 8:03

Still, definitely. Yep.

SPEAKER_03 8:05

First concert you ever went to.

SPEAKER_01 8:08

So my first concert was the Wiggles, but I don't know if that counts. It can mean so my first like quote unquote real concert was Hillary Duff.

SPEAKER_03 8:17

Wow.

SPEAKER_01 8:17

Yes, and it was fantastic. I had like I got the autographed poster and everything.

SPEAKER_03 8:23

What's the best concert you ever went to? Now this one I'm gonna guess it's one of the bands from one of the albums that you've chosen to.

SPEAKER_01 8:31

Absolutely it is. So I didn't really have a hard time with this one because I think the emotional reaction I had when I saw this band live like easily was the best and meant the most, and that was my chemical romance in 2023 because we I remember first of all sobbing when I got the ticket, but that was in 2019, and then of course the concert got delayed um due to global events and I sobbed the whole concert due to supply chain issues. I sobbed the whole concert, and I I went with uh two of my eldest nieces and with my partner, and we all dressed up as the Danger Days characters, and it was just such a great experience.

SPEAKER_03 9:18

But how good is it that not only have you enjoyed one of your all-time favorite artists, but you've created like a an you know uh what would you say, a a lore moment, uh you know, a a core moment for you and your family.

SPEAKER_01 9:32

Well that's I love being able to take my nieces to concerts with me now because a canon event is the word I was. They have the same music taste as me. I just got tickets for me and two of my nieces to go to Evanescence, and their reaction when I told them was so good, it's everything.

SPEAKER_03 9:48

What format was the first music that you purchased in? I'm guessing polyphonic ringtoe.

SPEAKER_01 9:54

I'm gonna pretend I know what that means. Um it was either cassette tapes or CDs. Um CDs would be the obvious, but when I did dance um at the ballet studio. I'm just gonna keep yapping through it. He's dead over there, and I'm like, yeah, so back in 19 dicety two Um at the dance studio I went to, we would always use cassettes for everything. Like if you needed to take music home for rehearsal, we'd tape on the CD player and we'd record on the cassettes, and I kind of picked up that habit so it would wait by my radio for songs I liked and record it on a cassette tape.

SPEAKER_03 10:34

So it cannot be that core event of being a child.

SPEAKER_01 10:37

It was definitely like later than people should have been doing that. So it should have been CDs, but it was cassettes.

SPEAKER_03 10:43

Like it was last week. What is your death row last meal?

SPEAKER_01 10:51

I am not a foodie. Um, and I am a dessert first person.

SPEAKER_03 10:57

I know you won't drink iced coffee if it has protein in it.

SPEAKER_01 11:01

You can taste the protein, she's weird.

SPEAKER_03 11:03

Take this away from me, Passi.

SPEAKER_01 11:06

Um, I decided on the red velvet cookie from Blondie's bakery. I don't know if you've ever been there, but you should. Um and also Dare Mocha, as you know. Hey, mocha is the same protein with sugar.

SPEAKER_03 11:20

Other than French vanilla ice coffee, mocha is the French vanilla ice the um the classic.

SPEAKER_01 11:25

Yeah, that's so good.

SPEAKER_03 11:28

I when I used to work at Video Easy, we used to get it stocked on like a Wednesday morning, and me and my manager would be like pre-paying in the till and then putting them in the star fridge with our names on them. I love it. Every week people's like, oh, you don't have any left.

SPEAKER_01 11:43

Like, oh, that's so weird. They're just real popular. I wonder if that's why there's never any damn mockers at my local calls.

SPEAKER_03 11:49

Also, I think it gave me superpowers because not only did I work a full-time job at Video Easy, I also finished uh Grand Theft Auto San Andreas at the same time because I couldn't sleep because I was drinking three iced coffees a day. Not because I was bite and I was on the toilet as well.

SPEAKER_01 12:06

This is not health advice, everybody.

SPEAKER_03 12:10

Do you have a favourite store growing up?

SPEAKER_01 12:13

It was definitely Supre, Ice, or Diva. Wow, probably a comma of all three. Like those are the ones you had to hit every time you'd go to the shops.

SPEAKER_03 12:22

The heights of slut fashion?

SPEAKER_01 12:23

Yes.

SPEAKER_03 12:24

I remember I want to go back. Like I I've often talked about the reality show La Det to Lady, but they're all dressed like everyone that used to work at Suprae.

SPEAKER_01 12:34

Yes.

SPEAKER_03 12:35

And I miss it.

SPEAKER_01 12:37

I have so come back around on that sort of uh naughty fashion as well. Like I love it so much, and I I think we should be embracing it again because it's time.

SPEAKER_03 12:46

Well, I think I think we've touched on it before, and you told me to shut the fuck up. But there's nothing sexier than that era where girls dress like brat stalls. I the the denim like saggy cap and the the checkered denim pants.

SPEAKER_01 13:00

And like all I want in life is to emulate my brat stalls.

SPEAKER_03 13:03

Yeah, exactly. Same.

SPEAKER_01 13:05

I love a monster high doll, but their fashion isn't quite there because they're 2010 dolls, right?

SPEAKER_03 13:10

And 2010's fashion is the Monster High's house is cooler than the Bratz's house.

SPEAKER_01 13:16

Yeah, well they're like I like an unnatural skin tone and I like crazy hair, but the bratz fashion will always be peak.

SPEAKER_03 13:23

One day you stumble into a little corner store. I know you said you're not a foodie, it has old posters, all the stuff you remember and you're nostalgic for. But you are given the responsibility of buying yourself a snack, a drink, and an ice cream. What are you buying?

SPEAKER_01 13:39

So I know these are still on the market, but straight away Milo ice cream, because when we used to do it but the proper one that the outside have the coating of Milo or the Milo on the inside modern ones. I don't remember.

SPEAKER_03 13:56

They used to be like when they had the plastic blue spoons that came with the okay, yes, oh the my yes, the Dixie cut for lack of not being an old cunt. Yeah, okay.

SPEAKER_01 14:05

Yes, um, because every time we went to St Kilda, uh me and my brother with our dad as kids, he would take us to the tackle shop there and we would get without fail the Milo ice cream, and so it's very nostalgic to me, even though it is still technically available and it's still delicious. Um, and then the Barista Bros original chocolate recipe because they changed that and then they went defunct, and that's why they deserved it. It tasted like Easter egg chocolate. It was their own hubris.

SPEAKER_03 14:36

All of their flavors tasted exactly the same. Yes, but you're like, okay, so this coffee one is just the chocolate one, but someone stirred it with a coffee spoon. It was very vague, but it was like, this is don't change it. Then they changed all of them.

SPEAKER_01 14:52

And then the last one uh is timeout chocolate.

SPEAKER_03 14:56

Nice one.

SPEAKER_01 14:57

Um, which the 12 crispies that you can get now are pretty much the same thing.

SPEAKER_03 15:02

Um, but the breakaway block of chocolate is very similar.

SPEAKER_01 15:06

I love those. But my brother went on a submarine uh in Sydney, like the the touristy ones, and they had, you know, like a historical here's what they would have had in here. And there was literally like a box of timeout chocolates, and that's what reminded me they existed, and I've been craving them ever since.

SPEAKER_03 15:19

So we got on the a literal time capsule.

SPEAKER_01 15:22

Literally.

SPEAKER_03 15:24

Did you grow up with any video game consoles? What were the main consoles and the games that stood out for you?

SPEAKER_01 15:29

So many. Um, we were a big gaming household. I grew up with two older brothers, uh, and they had all the consoles, but the main ones I played was the Nintendo 64. That was like my go-to for ages, and my favourites were Donkey Kong Island, Banjo Kazooie. Mind you, I never finished it because that game's really hard, and even I revisited it as an adult and I still can't beat it, but I played the shit out of it. Uh Super Mario 64 and Pokemon Snap.

SPEAKER_03 15:57

Of course. I knew Pokemon Snap would make an appearance.

SPEAKER_01 16:00

The remake for the Switch, or the I should say the second game for the Switch is so good.

SPEAKER_03 16:04

And you're the early generation for handheld. Like you lived through the age of handheld games not sucking.

SPEAKER_01 16:13

It wasn't my brother's, was my pink Nintendo DS Lite. And I loved that thing because not only was it like the first console that was mine alone, but it had every genre of games.

SPEAKER_03 16:24

And you could pirate games because it was just an SD card.

SPEAKER_01 16:28

We had it, we some someone's dad like got me an SD card of like a hundred games, and it did make my DS shit itself a little bit. Um I couldn't close it and have it go on standby, it would just shut off. But you save before you close it.

SPEAKER_03 16:40

DS overheated for a like a thing that had like 200 games on it. So yeah, it was it was the price you'd pay for the phone.

SPEAKER_01 16:46

And I still have it and it still works to this day, so best Christmas or birthday gift you ever received. I feel like this is cheating a bit, but my cat um I got him one Christmas. I was a teenager, I think I was like 16 or 15. Um, I'm really bad with years and dates. Sorry, team. Um but that was such a exciting because it was a hard no from everybody every time I'd asked for a pet.

SPEAKER_02 17:11

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 17:12

So it was a shock to me, and I cried so much. Um that or again the pink DS light.

SPEAKER_03 17:21

Now this one will be interested with because of your um fully functioning normal brain is the way we'll refer to it.

SPEAKER_01 17:28

Yeah, thank you.

SPEAKER_03 17:29

In your phone right now, how many unread text messages and emails do you have?

SPEAKER_01 17:32

And I didn't write anything down for this one because I figured we'd just check right now. So I've got two unread text messages, but they are like appointment reminders. So not like ghosting anybody else.

SPEAKER_03 17:44

We get it, you're pretending to be sick. We get it.

SPEAKER_01 17:48

Yeah, it's fine. Um I've got two unread messenger messages, but one is you telling me that I'm at your house to pick you up. Yep. Um, and the other's messages I don't want to check while I'm hanging out with you and being not being rude. I have two Instagram DMs, and I can't even tell you how many unread Gmail messages I have because it's just the 99 plus, but I can tell you it's like a thousand because it's all the the um like ads they send you, you know, like we're having a sale right now.

SPEAKER_03 18:16

It's all your login details because you've still got a Tumblr somewhere sitting there just dormant.

SPEAKER_01 18:20

I wish I still had my Tumblr. That shit got deleted because I couldn't log in anymore.

SPEAKER_03 18:25

None of my long-term friends check in on me, but Adelaide Music Awards from 2006 still check in on me every week. I'm like, what are you fucking?

SPEAKER_01 18:35

Where I get the most birthday messages from. So I have to spend money, thank you.

SPEAKER_03 18:43

Car clues off the couch, send me birthday messages, and I'm like, that's an under 18 thing, so they've been emailing me for 20 plus years. Shout out. Yeah. Um Batman got his name from A Fear of Bats. What is Villain Versage's superhero name based off the same logic?

SPEAKER_01 19:03

So I came up with two. The first one is Arthropod Man, because that encapsulates bugs, spiders, crabs, crustaceans, all of that. I don't like any of those.

SPEAKER_03 19:13

Uh the other king coconut crabs are like the biggest nightmare in your life.

SPEAKER_01 19:17

Oh we went to big we went to the Asaka aquarium and they had the Japanese spider crabs there, and I was trying to like film a video uh to I don't know, therapy, something. My hands were shaking so bad.

SPEAKER_03 19:29

Like they're horrible.

SPEAKER_01 19:31

Oh, and the other one is not as catchy as Arthropod Man, but it is looking out the window at night, man.

SPEAKER_03 19:37

Oh wow, I had that as a child, I grew out of it, but I get it.

SPEAKER_01 19:42

But also, um, like my dad has his man cave outside in the garage, and uh the kitchen window is sort of close to it, so sometimes he'll hear me in the kitchen at night and he'll put his face up against the glass to like see what I'm doing, and it scares the shit out of me every time. So I think it's sort of a valid fear.

SPEAKER_03 19:59

Choose for the entire world to watch and listen to a song and a movie.

SPEAKER_01 20:03

This was so hard because I'm so protective of the things that I love. I'm kind of like, no, this is actually for me and not for you. Um, I don't trust the entire world to like get the vibe. Some of you aren't that cool, sorry. Um, but we landed on uh The Muppets 2011. I should have written down the year 2011. Uh, because I love that movie, I love the songs in it, and I just I think anybody can enjoy that. And if you can't, like I don't want to be your friend.

SPEAKER_03 20:31

Is that the Am I Man Jim Parsons one?

SPEAKER_01 20:34

Yes, yes, okay, and then for this song I chose Lucky Number by Lena Lovich. Uh again, I just think that song's a really good vibe check for whether or not we can get along as people.

SPEAKER_03 20:50

What is the film that you loved growing up because you owned it on DVD or VHS? Simply for that fact. It doesn't have to be a good movie, it's just something you have an undying love for.

SPEAKER_01 20:58

This is such a good question for me specifically, because we had so many like weird knockoff bargain bin movies that I still love to this day, and me and my brother still quote to this day. So for that reason, I picked Snow White and the Magic Mirror. Um, it was this really weird, obviously Snow White parody. Um the whole thing's on YouTube, so like watch it. It's really weird and funny, but it has all these references that like totally went over our heads. There's like a Burger King parody called Burger Queen. Um, there's you know references to old comedians and actors that we couldn't possibly know as like Australian children. Um, but I love that. And then on in that same vein, not a knockoff film, but Little Mermaid 2. Wow, we hadn't even seen the first one, and we owned the second one on VHS. So it took me a really long time to actually see the first one. So Melody was Melody was my mermaid, and Ursula's hotter sister was my villain.

SPEAKER_03 21:56

So wow speaking Speaking of magic mirrors, what was said to the mirror in the story as you remember it in basically in Cinderella no Sleeping Beauty.

SPEAKER_01 22:10

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 22:11

What was said? Because this is another Mandela effect that now thinks. What does the Queen ask of the mirror? Do you remember?

SPEAKER_01 22:17

In Snow White, she says mirror mirror on the wall.

SPEAKER_03 22:20

It's magic mirror on the wall in snow. But I remember mirror mirror on the wall. Yeah. And it's recently come out that it's magic mirror on the wall, which is wrong.

SPEAKER_01 22:29

That's I saw something like that too with Um Little Mermaid. Everybody says, but Daddy, I love him, but she doesn't say but it's just daddy, I love him, which I'm sure that's gonna get clipped as a sound now.

SPEAKER_03 22:41

The sexualization of the word daddy creeps.

SPEAKER_01 22:45

Yes.

SPEAKER_03 22:46

It's horrendous.

SPEAKER_01 22:47

I hate it.

SPEAKER_03 22:48

It's time to find out all about your favorite songs and well albums and films. Not necessarily your favorite, just ones that resonate with you. How hard were these lists for you?

SPEAKER_01 22:58

So hard. I had to give myself.

SPEAKER_03 23:17

So we're gonna start off back in 2008 from Island Records. We are talking about the fourth studio album from Fallout Boy. The title translates from French as Madless Madness Shared by Two. It debuted at number eight on the Billboard 200, featuring the singles I Don't Care, America's Sweethearts, and What a Catch Donnie. Marked a more experimental direction in a band that have been accused of being shills or industry plants for a very long time. Pretty much everything on that label, they reckon Panic of the Disco, followed by all these bands were not really underground punk bands. Tell us about this album.

SPEAKER_01 23:56

I love this album. This I I probably would put this as my top favourite album of all time because it's such an easy album to listen to. It's so full of energy and it's got this like vibrancy and story to it that I don't know, I just really love it. And it's my go-to, like, oh, I have to clean the house, and I don't know about you, but I can't clean without music on. Uh it's been instilled in me from my mum from a very young age. Music cleaning.

SPEAKER_03 24:23

I've only in the last couple of years become a podcast cleaner, but before then it was definitely music on.

SPEAKER_01 24:27

And so it's my go-to because I can sing along to every single song, I know all the words, and it just I What do you do if you finish the draw you're doing before the end of the album?

SPEAKER_03 24:36

Or you just don't finish listening to it, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 24:38

Of course. Um but retrospectively too, because I wasn't in the fandom when this album was released, so it's been like you once you sort of enter the fandom, you get the privilege of finding out like all this cool stuff about what happened with the pre-release and everything like that, and I just it adds to the lore so much.

SPEAKER_03 24:58

And I I feel for you because you missed one of the biggest stories in the history of the world in the days of MySpace, and it was Pete Wentz's dick photo from MySpace back in the day, and that was pre-Your fandom of this band. Well, I'm hoping given your age at the time.

SPEAKER_02 25:16

Yeah, no, yes.

SPEAKER_03 25:18

Yeah, I remember it was like it was and it the funny thing is like you look at the way like revenge laws and everything works now, and it wasn't just shared, it was like someone would be like, oh my god, this is disgusting. I can't believe this was shared, and then they'd share it again, and then a news story would pick it up.

SPEAKER_01 25:36

And I'm like, And they're just posting it everywhere and like reposting it, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 25:40

And I'm like, I think it was like on NME or like one of the music magazine websites that I first saw the photo.

SPEAKER_01 25:46

I'm like, with all of Pete Wentz's past actions, okay. Some of those girls were a little bit young, yeah. A one tree hill was it? Or this should never have happened. Like, you should not be getting your photos spread around like that. That's really unfair. And if it had been uh a woman artist who I think the reaction would have been quite different as well. Yeah, and that always strikes a chord with me. Like, that's not fair.

SPEAKER_03 26:08

Absolutely.

SPEAKER_01 26:09

Um, but I don't know if you know much about the marketing campaign to this album.

SPEAKER_03 26:13

No, I don't. I know that Elvis Costello's on it, which shows that we're real grown-up real musicians.

SPEAKER_01 26:19

Um, so they had like this whole campaign uh called Welcome to the New Administration. It was very like political, it was like vote FOB. I forgot what it didn't stand for Fallout Boy in that case, it was something else, I can't remember. But they had a mixtape and it was all of those bands that featured on uh Wata Catch Donny. Ramen, oh what the lot of fueled by Ramen bands, yeah. Fueled by Raman, yeah. Um but it had like Elvis Costello, it had um The Cab, it had Panic at the Disco, had a bunch of bands that are also featured on the What a Catch Donnie song. Um, and then also uh because I should mention the album was going to come out on election day, and then they pushed it back because they didn't want to ride that wave, but then because it is the album does have a lot of political undertones, it I would have been.

SPEAKER_03 27:05

It was Fallout Boys, and I don't want to lessen it. It was their American idiot.

SPEAKER_01 27:10

Yes.

SPEAKER_03 27:11

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 27:11

I've heard people say it's Fallout Boys Sergeant Peppers, and I don't disagree with that because it was Except it doesn't suck like the Beatles do. I don't love the Beatles, but I do fuck with Sergeant Peppers. I think that's a good album. Um they also released a video game called Fallout Boy Trail, and it was based on Oregon Trail, and you would have to just like that game, as someone that played it on floppy disc, that game is fucking hard. Yeah, so you know, instead of dying of dysentery, Pete Wentz can die of sadness, and basically instead of surviving the Oregon Trail, you have to survive the tour.

SPEAKER_03 27:45

Um sorry, you died of uh social media shared penis photos.

SPEAKER_01 27:50

It died of sadness because you know we're an emo band or whatever. Um, and then it also had like eight-bit MIDI versions of their songs as well, which I just think is super cool. Um, so they had like a lot of they kept the album recording itself very secretive, but then they had a lot of build-up to the album, and then it was very divisive when it came out because the sound was experimental and a bit weird, but now you know it's when you talk about Full Light Boy, this is one of the first albums that gets mentioned. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 28:20

Like it's well the imagery of the bear and the man dressed as the bear, like that's that just screams.

SPEAKER_01 28:26

I love it so much. Yeah, um, and Patrick Stump did admit he was difficult to work with on this album because he had this level of perfectionism. Um, I think it shows honestly.

SPEAKER_03 28:35

Aurelius time though, he was doing a lot of those collabs with like you know, gym class heroes and like doing it.

SPEAKER_01 28:41

Traffee McCoy from Gym Class Heroes also features pretty heavily on this album as well because Patrick Stump is of course in Gym Class Heroes.

SPEAKER_03 28:47

I wish they were still kicking because fucking.

SPEAKER_01 28:49

They're fantastic, some bangers.

SPEAKER_03 28:53

All of his songs are great. Cupid's I'm going to listen to Cupid's Jokehold today. Yeah, fucking love that song. Radio, uh, this one got a mixed reception because it was a departure from what Fallout Boy were known for. Um, because you know they really definitely propped themselves up originally with that four guys travelling in a van, the industry caught onto them, and then Infinity on High was such a hit. And even now though, like like I remember you couldn't go like circa like 2005 when we first moved here, maybe 2006, you'd bar hop in the city here, and you'd hear sugar were going down in at least four of the places you went to.

SPEAKER_01 29:33

Yes, even places that weren't alternative, like how I found the band is like it was a radio band. It was popular that you know you'd go to the grocery store and they're playing I don't care, you know.

SPEAKER_03 29:43

They they even manage, like they even managed to upset the Aveng Sevenfold crowd by parroting the um seize the day music video with the guitar uh the solo on top of the casket. Arms Race is their best music video, I think. So good. Or Dance Dance, I also love it.

SPEAKER_01 30:00

There's a lot they have a lot of fantastic music videos, but I think definitely Arms Race has to be up to that as like one of the more memorable ones.

SPEAKER_03 30:07

What were your thoughts when they went a bit Imagine Dragons with like their later stuff?

SPEAKER_01 30:12

I love their latest album. It's Poppy, it's hard to sing, which I love, you know. As a singer, I love challenging myself with whatever Patrick Stump is hooting and hollering in his songs. Um I I think they've you know Mania was not my favourite, but I think them experimenting with sounds is something they've always done, and I was glad for it. But this new album is so fantastic.

SPEAKER_03 30:36

Awesome. Next, we're moving on to a game changer. I think this next album changed the sound of what New Metal was, it broke it through as much as New Metal had really hit the mainstream. This is almost like a post-New Metal album that pushed it to places where you know Ben Moody, one of the songwriters, went on to be working with Anastasia because he's like, I'm gonna build my own Evanescence again. We're talking about Evanescence 2003 release. I was in year 12. We're talking about Fallen.

SPEAKER_01 31:04

This debut studio how old I was.

SPEAKER_03 31:07

No, this studio album sold over 17 million copies worldwide. And I would say this is an album, the entire album, and I'm not taking away from it, initially its selling power was based purely off Bring Me to Life, which was the the hit from the fantastic film Daredevil from 2003. Um and that song resonates. I'm worried about the new tour that you're excited about going to because all the footage doesn't have the male vocal in Bring Me to Life.

SPEAKER_01 31:36

Well, when she released Um re-released Fallen, I should say, for the 2020th or 25th anniversary. I can't do maths. Um because that song was never supposed to feature male vocalist, she was enough time had passed between then and now for her to sort of remaster it and make it what she had wanted it to be originally.

SPEAKER_03 31:58

How lucky's the dude from 12 Stone getting put on that fucking song.

SPEAKER_01 32:04

But like that, even that I have distinct memories of the Bring Me to Life music video and like watching that as a kid and just being absolutely obsessed with her. You know, she has a lot of gorgeous music videos that I have vivid memories of being. Oh my god, I want to be her so badly. But this album is just quintessential evanescence. To come out as the debut album is crazy work.

SPEAKER_03 32:27

Can you sit out? Can you sit at a piano without My Immortal calling to you like the Green Goblin mask?

SPEAKER_01 32:33

And you're just like going under.

SPEAKER_03 32:36

That was a fucking great music video.

SPEAKER_01 32:38

Beautiful music video, fantastic song.

SPEAKER_03 32:40

Absolutely. This one reached number three on the Billboard 200 with the massive hits obviously Bring Me to Life, Going Under and My Immortal. One Grammys for Best New Artist, Bring Me to Life was boosted by the inclusion in the film Daredevil, and I pushed back on that fact. Daredevil was fucking boosted by this music video.

SPEAKER_01 32:58

Agree, heavy agree.

SPEAKER_03 33:00

I don't care what you say. Um Amy Lee originally wanted more piano throughout the entire thing. Her main focus for what she wanted Evanescence to be was the orchestral elements.

SPEAKER_01 33:10

Yes, which I would argue are some of the best parts of the songs.

SPEAKER_03 33:14

They say that Ben did a lot of backhand stuff with the he did a lot of mansplaining to the um the record company, where it's like, I'll get her to come around, don't worry, it's fine, it's fine. And it's like, that's why you're not in the band anymore, fucker.

SPEAKER_01 33:28

Yeah, well, you know, if you listen to some of her later stuff, a lot of the theming of the songs is like, I'm actually better off without you, like I'm not gonna sign my own. So it's called fuck you, Ben. Yeah, it's like, and I love I love her. I haven't listened to the brand new album that just came out, but the one before that was a revelation, and I hadn't listened to Evanescence solidly for a while, and it bumped it straight back into my top five again.

SPEAKER_03 33:52

Like it's a perfect album.

SPEAKER_01 33:54

Still such a talent, but this album, Fallen, you know, as a moody teenager, I think this got me through so much. This and it was so in my like such a formative thing for me.

SPEAKER_03 34:05

This is Anita's favourite album. Like, well, there's equally she loves this and uh Phoebe Can't Sweat Out.

SPEAKER_01 34:11

Oh my gosh, what a great album.

SPEAKER_03 34:13

They're her two, they're her two definitive perfect taste, absolutely. And yeah, you could not escape Evanescence, no one could fucking pronounce it back in the day.

SPEAKER_01 34:24

I was having trouble spelling it in my life.

SPEAKER_03 34:26

Ever since I've got to be able to do that.

SPEAKER_01 34:28

Oh, well, you know, I because I got tickets for the uh current tours in March, I had to contact Ticketech to get um ambulance seating, and um the guy that was helping me with the seating could not pronounce it, and I thought that was very sweet.

SPEAKER_03 34:44

Ever since ever since?

SPEAKER_01 34:46

He sort of, yeah, he would sort of stumble over it, but yeah, I knew what he was talking about, so it's not a problem.

SPEAKER_03 34:51

Alright, the next album we're talking about is a concept album following a character known as the patient who is dying and reflecting on his life. This album's never been heard of by anyone ever. Never heard of it. It came out in 2006. It's the third studio album from this artist, a concept album, includes the songs Welcome to the Black Parade, Teenagers and Famous Last Words, inspired in part by classic rock operas such as The Wall and American Idiot. We are talking about something that you spelt wrong.

SPEAKER_01 35:24

How's your uh don't write your messages when you're half asleep?

SPEAKER_03 35:29

We are talking about Welcome to the Black Parade. Tell me about it. What is it? Who is it? Who is it? How is it?

SPEAKER_01 35:34

Oh my gosh. So I'm gonna start off with a little story because you know, Yappa City over here. Um, when I was growing up, I wasn't like an album person. Uh, because my mum loves a compilation CD. So we had, you know, you're so fresh, you're now that's what I call music type stuff, and so and then you know, coming into the era of iPods and stuff, it was pretty much like whatever songs I liked, I'd just put those on and that was it. And it wasn't until a little later, when I was like, I think 13 that I was like properly listening to albums, and I was like, you know, I'd been hearing these songs for years, and I was like, Oh, it's like a whole concept, and I couldn't believe that you could tell a whole story through an album, and it was such a revelation where that's when I was like, Oh, I need to get everybody's albums and I need to listen to them in order, and I need to hear it as a full work of art instead of individual songs, and it was such a an amazing thing to hear for the first time.

SPEAKER_03 36:28

My crash course for um concept albums, one of my friends was always obsessed with uh Wasps The Crimson Idol, which it was always too like wanky for me. Yeah, but for years he was like, This fucking concept album's sick. I got into of all things The Streets, A Grand Don't Come For Free. Every song on that album stands alone as just a pop banger, fucking rap hit, like whatever. Yes, but it is the story of a guy that loses money and the weekend and what it causes in his life, so it follows basically and it is perfection because the fact that it can stand alone, but then it can tell this huge story. Like the first episode, uh the first song is him running to the bank to withdraw the money, yes, and then like oh, it is perfection. But that opened my mind to what concept albums could be, and this was that's my black parade. That's and what I love is like about I've seen things with my chemical romance where they've admitted like we're not the most theatrical band, but we just committed to it in the ways other people didn't.

SPEAKER_01 37:27

Especially if you look at what they're doing currently with the Black Parade tour, oh my god, like they're creating these arena tours with these entire stories. Like during the Black Parade era, they weren't playing as My Chemical Romance, they were playing as the Black Parade, it was like a fictional band that was a part of it.

SPEAKER_03 37:45

Um the bleach blonde, the sergeant pepper jackets.

SPEAKER_01 37:48

The concept was um Gerard in an interview had said Um, I hope that when you die, death comes for you however you like. And so for this and as a formative memory, so for our character, the patient, death came for him in the form of a parade that he had been to that his father took him to as a child. Yeah, um, and I that's a good thing.

SPEAKER_03 38:11

They should have written a song about that bit.

SPEAKER_01 38:13

Yeah, they really should have. Um but now with the current um arena tours, they're performing as the black parade again, but it takes place in this fictional um nation called Drag, and they are like basically a propaganda band, and they're being forced to perform for the um the dictator, and it's got all this insane lore that I am so obsessed with the Grand Immortal Dictator.

SPEAKER_03 38:44

Anytime someone comes out is surprised that my camera comic book guys, it's like, you fucking serious? Look at this shit.

SPEAKER_01 38:51

Gerard Way got his start in Cartoon Network. He actually had pitched a show, um, and it got rejected in favor of it's just goth Johnny Bravo.

SPEAKER_03 39:02

I'd watch it.

SPEAKER_01 39:03

Oh, what's that show with like the talking French fries?

SPEAKER_03 39:07

Oh um Team Hunger Force.

SPEAKER_01 39:09

Yeah, I think that that he show got rejected because of that Teen Hunger Force. That's it. Um, and then that he was working in the Cartoon Network building when the towers got hit, and he witnessed that, and then he's like, Fuck, I gotta start a band, and so my cam came about.

SPEAKER_03 39:26

That's insane. Like, cause Twilight, My Cam, all these things spurred.

SPEAKER_01 39:30

Oh, yeah, we can go from yeah, we can go from this. So Girardway creates my chemical romance, and then meanwhile, Stephanie Mayer is writing the worst books on earth. Um, she's writing fan fiction. Uh well, not fan fiction, really, but she's writing Twilight, and Edward Cullen is based on Girardway. She has said this, and that's why I think a part of the reason why they rejected being on the Twilight soundtrack, which by the way, great soundtrack. I have it on CD, it's fucking so good.

SPEAKER_03 40:01

As much as I didn't get super into it, I will admit. I was a Twilight. Anytime that Paramour's songs from the Twilight films come on, I've got time for it. So good. I've got time for it.

SPEAKER_01 40:11

Um, but then yeah, so she wrote the Twilight books, which became films, and then uh E. L. James is writing fan fiction about Twilight. Um, that was like a proto Fifty Shades of Grey, but it was Speller and Edward as Christian, and I can't remember, I've never read them, I'm sorry. Um and it's for making old ladies wet, so while we're doing it, and then so that got published as Fifty Shades of Grey, and then the actress from Fifty Shades of Grey, I can't remember her name.

SPEAKER_03 40:45

Uh Dakota Fanning.

SPEAKER_01 40:46

Dakota, not Fanning.

SPEAKER_03 40:48

Not Fanning, Dakota Johnson.

SPEAKER_01 40:49

Dakota Johnson, thank you.

SPEAKER_03 40:50

Sorry, Madame Webb herself.

SPEAKER_01 40:52

Yes, she gets famous, and then she goes on Ellen and does like her second or third uh interview with Ellen Where Ellen pretends to be her friend being a liar, which cancels Ellen.

SPEAKER_03 41:02

Causes the calculator of Ellen.

SPEAKER_01 41:04

And that's the that's what 9-11 caused.

SPEAKER_03 41:07

So what we're really trying to say is thank you, George Bush. Thank you. How good is that timeline? Because it is not just conspiracy theory, it is proven fact that all this I love it. It is so funny. The media. I think Hot Topic owes their whole career, Hot Topic success, and their business acumen, everything about them they owe to September 11. Because you know, there's only so many Bob Marley posters you can sell before your business goes to.

SPEAKER_01 41:40

Before everybody has one.

SPEAKER_03 41:42

Uh yeah, so all that for uh for the black parade. How often do you is this one just constant rotation from you since the day you first heard it?

SPEAKER_01 41:53

Well, full disclosure, it's not even my favourite Mike Em album. It's just the one that sort of got me into it and uh sort sort of means a little more. My favourite is um three cheers.

SPEAKER_03 42:04

Yeah. But that's God I'm not okay.

SPEAKER_01 42:09

Oh, don't question me on this. Yes. Yes, yes.

SPEAKER_03 42:11

Three cheers for sweet revenge, is that the Yes. Yeah, yeah. I added that when I worked at Hill FM. I added that to the playlist. Incredible and I got I got in trouble for it. So there was a few songs that I added because I've got the music video is so good, by the way. I was learning to be absolutely, except there's a line that always sticks out. Every time I watched the I'm not okay music video, there's a bit where he says the the punchline and everyone laughs, like they're meant to cut to him and he says thing, but he only says the setup and then everyone laughs at it, and I'm like, do you want to try that again? And then you've got something in your eye, and then he just pulls out a like so good. That's the um uh that's the song that got me into them, but I got in trouble for adding that. I got in trouble for adding the black-eyed peas, Don't Funk with My Heart, because my religious music director thought it was too um close to don't fuck with my heart. I'm like, that's the point.

SPEAKER_01 43:06

Yeah, to be prerogative.

SPEAKER_03 43:08

It's not it's not the origin of Let's Get It Started, which I would also have added in 2003 because it was a different time. Radio, let's move along to another band no one's ever heard of from a year that you don't even exist. We're back in 1989, we're talking about the Cue's disintegration, produced by Robert Smith himself. It is the eighth studio album. That's right, eighth, featuring the song, featuring love song lullaby, which I've seen so many stripteases to lullaby. Really? That is a strip tease song.

SPEAKER_01 43:41

I didn't know. I would love to see that.

SPEAKER_03 43:43

And Pictures of You, often regarded as the Cure's masterpiece, sold over four million copies. Robert Smith wrote much of the album why approaching his 30th birthday. I did fuck all before I was 30. I've done fuck all since I was 30.

SPEAKER_01 43:55

Eight fucking albums under his belt with Susie Two. Like, tell me about.

SPEAKER_03 44:00

Loving this album.

SPEAKER_01 44:02

I again The Cure is one of those bands that I listened to a lot, but it was just songs that I had heard that I liked, and I I didn't sit down till I was in my 20s to listen to the full album, and I'm almost glad I didn't discover it till later on as a full album because of the themes of like the passage of time and aging and the fears that come with that because I think I was able to appreciate it more fully in that way. Um like plain song being the opening song for this album is just such a perfect introduction of the tone and the like how the rest of the album is going to be. Like you know what you're getting in for immediately. And it's also when people go, Hey, I'm trying to get into goth music, what should I listen to? And I don't want to start off with like London After Midnight or Bau House because I think they're a little more quiet, like very popular still, but a little more acquired.

SPEAKER_03 44:59

I think the cure is such a good gateway, and I know they don't consider themselves goth, but I you know nothing blows my mind more than like looking into this album when you sent the list through. Finding out that the biggest point of contention with this album is that the record label thought it was too gothy and too dark.

SPEAKER_01 45:16

Yes.

SPEAKER_03 45:17

It's the fucking cure, and it's their eighth time around. It's not like that because they came out of nowhere. Yeah, but it's not like it came out of nowhere. Like, oh my god.

SPEAKER_01 45:27

Have you seen Mr. Smith? Like that's how he looked like. I just I don't know, I get a kick out of this album, and admittedly it's not my most replayed because of you know, it's a little gloomy, but I think sometimes you need that, and I I love that there's almost no catharsis with this album. Like it's kind of like hazy and sullen from start to finish. I think Rain's song is a little bit hopeful, and then obviously love song, but like you get no catharsis, it doesn't end like uh actually I've gotten over my fears and I'm okay now. It doesn't. No. Untitled is you know as dreary as everything else in the best way. Like this is such an experience to go through and listen to fully and just let yourself be taken on this journey, and then you don't get catharsis at the end, and you're kind of okay with it.

SPEAKER_03 46:19

Best song of the album.

SPEAKER_01 46:21

Oh it's gonna be disintegration. It has to be. I know that's probably like a clever title. No, but the whole album came from that song. That was the first song he wrote, and I I think it is one of the strongest songs on the album, too. But I just it's such a perfect song to me. Um I obviously love song is huge and has been covered a million times, but uh he Robert Smith said it, he thought it was the weakest song. I disagree. Um I think it's a classic, but for me, disintegration has to be it. Rain songs are close second.

SPEAKER_03 46:59

Right. I need to warn all listeners now. I'm about to bring something up that is gonna cause what I'm guessing will be a fugue state, and villain is just gonna You're lucky we didn't get into it with my cam. You should get it with 9-11. Ladies and gentlemen, you're about to get your ears yapped at as I bring up this next album. It's from 2022, it's the fifth studio album, a concept album, once again, about the rise and fall of empires, debuted at number two on the Billboard 200, one of the most divisive bands in hard rock at the moment because you know everyone's doing the that's not metal enough to be metal, the usual bullshit. But we are talking about the band Ghost with their album Impera. Please Lucy Splain to me. Lucy Splain to me.

SPEAKER_01 47:48

I had listened to Ghosts for a long time, but I hadn't been like fully in the fandom and fully it wasn't it hadn't been um like I guess you would say a special interest for me until uh I think 2020 was when I got like super back into them um because I discovered Pre-Kel, which is my favourite album of Ghosts, and it it's such a solid album. And then you know, they announced Imperial, and I still remember like oh my god, they're releasing new music, and I'm in the fandom, so there's all this hype around it, and it was just such a great day of like get I I just went and bought the CD straight away. Like, I didn't bother like I'll go on Spotify and I'll have a listen. You know, I just went and bought the CD because I know I was gonna love it, and I was right, and we me and my partner listened to it together, and it was just such an experience.

SPEAKER_03 48:34

I would like one CD of blue oyster cale blue oyster cult a little bit blue oyster cult mud vein, please.

SPEAKER_01 48:42

But like I still remember like where I was, my reaction when I listened to it, like it was just such a masterpiece of an album. I know I'm just like gushing about it, but like and then this album's also special because it was the concert I got to see live. And obviously they don't play like the full album start to finish, they sprinkle in other songs, but like the curtain drop for the um reimperador, like it starts off with Imperium, and you're sort of waiting, and it's just such a build-up, and it's so exciting, and then the massive curtain falls down, and it's just it goes straight into Kaiserion. I will never forget how I felt in that moment. It was so fucking crazy. I think I like transcended and I kind of forgot half the concert because I was just so excited that was kind of out of my mind, but it was amazing. The showmanship, everything. I don't really know how Tobias performs in that mask. Obviously, he's stopped doing that now, but like just incredible. The energy, the songs, the commitment to the characters as well. Like the ghouls were having so much fun on stage, just everything.

SPEAKER_03 49:52

I love the because you look at fandom throughout the years, obviously, there's the kiss army, the maggots for slip knot, they're all got their different approaches to the music. But the ghost fandom is something that artists would couldn't even dream of. The amount of lore, the amount of side quests involved with being a ghost fan.

SPEAKER_01 50:13

And that's what the bands make it to. Like, that no one can say Tobias Forge doesn't work hard. Like he's actively releasing YouTube videos to add to the band's lore.

SPEAKER_03 50:25

They released an an EP that They have D they have t-shirts that expand lore as well.

SPEAKER_01 50:33

Yeah, they had they released an EP that canonically was released in the 60s, but was actually released, you know, in the 2010s. And they've got all the you know, music videos you can unlock extra pieces of lore by watching the music videos and then seeing how everything fits together, and it's not perfect, you know. Tobias has said that um the emeritus are brothers with Papa Neil or with Papa uh or with Copia, and so we're not kind of sure if they're his brothers or his uncles currently, but like stop putting fucking homework in your progrock, mister. I I love that stuff, but also like people some people get a little upset when the law doesn't make perfect sense, and I'm like, it's about the music anyway.

SPEAKER_03 51:14

Like at the end of the day, I'm I'm just the comic book guy uh in a wizard did it at the end of the day.

SPEAKER_01 51:22

Like, maybe I won't care about the lore in five or ten years, but I will care about the music forever.

SPEAKER_03 51:28

Hey, it is a shared passion, and you can never well as long as it's like Nazism. Yeah, nothing wrong with a bit of shared passion. Featuring the songs Call Me A Little Sunshine, Hunter's Moon, and Spillways. What's the best song off this album? And what's the best ghost song ever? Villain Versage. You will be quoted for generations on this anthem.

SPEAKER_01 51:49

I know, and it changes on a dime. I think for this album it would have to be Spillways. There's just something so magnetic about that song, and it's got the energy because otherwise I would say darkness at the heart of my love, but I don't listen to that one as often as Spillways because Spillways just has more a beatness to it. Favourite Ghost song ever? Um I think Faith on Pre-Curl. Nice, which they did not play at my concert, and they did play the next night in Melbourne, so that was a bit of a bummer.

SPEAKER_03 52:24

But I'm a sucker for a cover, so any band and ghost loves a cover. Any band that covers Shakespeare's sister will forever be in my heart, but not just that, Rocky Erickson fucking everything they dodge. I love even We Don't Need Another Hero. Love the bass line in that. That is such a fucking great version of that song.

SPEAKER_01 52:45

Um stay, you know, they did that with Patrick Wilson for um Insidious the Red Door.

SPEAKER_03 52:53

The Red Door, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 52:54

And so he Patrick Wilson sort of got to choose that song, and he's such a big ghost fan, and it was just such a cool thing. They've done a couple horror film songs now. They have Hunter's Moon for uh Halloween ends or kills one of the new ones.

SPEAKER_03 53:10

Um wasted on those films.

SPEAKER_01 53:16

Yes, and then I didn't even realize Stay was a cover until you messaged me about it with like, oh my god, I love the original, and then I was listening to the original and I was like, what a fucking fantastic song. What a fantastic cover, too.

SPEAKER_03 53:26

The my sister and I once got given $2.50 each because that was a big deal at one point. Yes, put it together to buy the cast single, which I still have to this day of Shakespeare's Sisters Stay. It is I love that song so much. Um, this is the first hard rock album in like about a decade to reach number two on the Billboard Top 100. Won the American Music Award for favourite rock album. Tobias described it as being inspired by historical collapses of powerful civilizations. So the crossover with the Catholic Church is alive and well with ghosts.

SPEAKER_01 54:00

Yes. Well, their whole thing is a Catholic clergy, you know. Um fans got to witness uh because in Pre-Cal, Copia is just a cardinal, he's not Papa yet. Um and fans got to witness on the last show of a pale tour named Death in Mexico, um, so Papa Neil dies during his saxophone solo. Uh, you know, in canon, not in real life. Um and so that is the Cardinals' rise to papacy, and they anoint him on stage and change his robes, and it's the first time we get to see him in full because they have the papal like face paint. They every Papa had their own signature like skull face paint. We get to see his for the first time. That it did end up changing quite a bit afterwards, though. And then that kicked off the Impera era.

SPEAKER_03 54:52

This this band is a band that's entire lore should have been airbrushed on the side of a heavy metal van in the 1980s or used the 20-sided dice to write the fucking what's going on. And it is so nerdy. It is so fucking successful. Like, I don't care what measurement you look at ghosts, a lot of people are like, oh, it's not as heavy as I thought it was gonna be.

SPEAKER_01 55:14

But the biggest thing is he's also never claimed to be metal.

SPEAKER_03 55:17

Just the sheer success that these guys have.

SPEAKER_01 55:20

Well, it's crazy for they had um Mary and a cross go viral on TikTok, and it was so crazy for a band like that to have that viral moment.

SPEAKER_02 55:29

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 55:29

And such a mainstream viral moment. Like, I still come across random videos of something completely random that have the song in the background, you know.

SPEAKER_03 55:38

What an um well chosen.

SPEAKER_01 55:41

Yes.

SPEAKER_03 55:42

It's time to talk movies.

SPEAKER_01 55:43

Yay!

SPEAKER_03 55:44

Uh, this is a film that I know is deeply ingrained in your heart from 1988, lots of '88. Killer clowns from outer space.

SPEAKER_01 55:53

Yes. I obviously this has some recency bias for me, given that I have just done the cosplay, and that got such a insane, like, I did not expect the response that got at all. I'm so grateful for it.

SPEAKER_03 56:06

Me and my sister can't even organize a catcher. And here the Kyoto brothers are fucking making some of the greatest practical effects.

SPEAKER_01 56:13

Three brothers. Imagine getting along with your sibling now. Um creating this fucking masterpiece on and it made fuckle money initially, but I think it's really come back around because it's so even since last time we spoke about it on a previous podcast.

SPEAKER_03 56:31

It has become like it is not it's I think it's transcended cult classic now. Well, it's still cult classic. But it's I think it's bigger than it ever has been.

SPEAKER_01 56:40

Yeah, well, they got a um a house at uh Halloween Horror Nights in Orlando, um, which was a massive deal because you know, people will visit this even if they don't know what the film is to experience these haunted houses. And then it um got the video game release, which I did not play, I'll admit, because I don't like an asymmetric horror. I don't play Dead by Daylight or anything like that, but like that's insane for this little movie, this very niche sort of movie, to get a haunted house in Universal Studios and then a video game, and then Monster High made the shorty doll.

SPEAKER_03 57:20

I put the Dickies theme to this film up with John Carpenter's Big Trouble and Little China theme, or the Coupe DeVille's Big Trouble and Little China theme as the best theme to a movie. But to find out this one, the Dickies had not seen the movie. No, they'd just seen some concept sketches of the clown.

SPEAKER_01 57:37

And I've unironically listened to that song just on a normal basis.

SPEAKER_03 57:44

And to the fact that it's that on brain just from a photo of the clown.

SPEAKER_01 57:48

And so and even the other music in this song, uh uh in this song. In this, sorry, we were just talking about music for a hot minute. Um the other songs in this film, uh, I forget the m the guy who did the music's name. But they it's so atmospheric and perfectly clowny, and it's just insane how well the music has done for this film.

SPEAKER_03 58:10

It made 20 times its budget, and that's not to account to inflation and what it's still making these days. Um I do love, like I love when a uh a film retroactively gets its flowers, but I still think it's getting its flowers and more to come, which it deserves.

SPEAKER_01 58:26

And I want that for it so badly.

SPEAKER_03 58:29

I don't think just it's got almost a blockbusters approach to a little shitty horror film.

SPEAKER_01 58:37

As in, there's so much thought, the music, the look, the just everything about it really shows, and you know, I have a gripe with horror clowns not doing clown shit. We've had this discussion. Yeah, the killer clowns from outer space are doing clown shit constantly. Their spaceship is a circus tent, they have a balloon dog that is like the you know, the sniffer dog or whatever, they have the cotton candy gun, like everything is so clown. Shout out to Jojo, but like everything's so perfectly silly. I just I don't know how you don't love this movie.

SPEAKER_03 59:15

This is, yeah, it's a 19 out of 19 for sure. Like it's everyone needs to see this movie at least once.

SPEAKER_01 59:22

And I was going around like a freaking Mormon at Comic-Con being like, Oh, you don't know what I'm dressed up as? Oh, you have to watch it. Please watch it. Have you heard the word?

SPEAKER_03 59:30

The good word. I put this into the category of one of those films where if you hate it, correct. If you love it, correct.

SPEAKER_01 59:39

Because it is it perfectly blocky, it is the B movie of all B movies.

SPEAKER_03 59:43

It perfectly treads that this is kind of shit.

SPEAKER_01 59:46

This is kind of perfectly so charming, and you can tell everybody who worked on it because it was such a family affair as well. Not only did we have the three brothers, but they were bringing in all their friends and families because they were on such a shoestring budget that it was such a like a family affair of, and you can tell everybody wanted it to do well and everybody gave a shit about it.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:06

I think a perfect drive-in movie cinema night would be starting the evening off with Little Shop of Horrors. Oh my gosh, following it up by Killer Clans.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:13

I would love that. Absolutely.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:15

It did sell four tickets, but nonetheless.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:18

I would be all four tickets.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:20

You just want to spread out. There's no ambulance chairings on the city. We're going to a very long time ago now. This one is well before you were born. We're talking about 2024's Lisa Frankenstein. It is directed by Zelda Williams. It's a horror comedy inspired by classic universal horror movies, set in 1989, opened with a $3.8 million budget at the North American, directed by the daughter of Robin Williams, named after the legend of Zelda, featuring extensive practical makeup effects. Tell us about cosplay and this movie.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:03

Other Comic Con cosplay was in fact the creature from Lisa Frankenstein with my best friend as my Lisa, which I don't have to tell you. I wasn't there. My best girlfriend.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:13

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:14

Um, I don't have to tell you how special that was for us. And like again, a lot of people didn't get the reference, but the people that did loved it.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:23

I got called Sweeney Todd a lot. I was gonna say, did you get any Edward Scissor Hands or Sweeney Todd's?

SPEAKER_01 1:01:28

I sort of expected Edward Scissor Hands because when I think of white blouse, black suspenders, I think of Edward Todds. I but I got Sweeney Todd.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:36

My brain went to Edward when I saw it, your first one.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:39

Yes. Um, but I yeah, I got Sweeney Todd the whole day. But we got to then tell people about this movie that we love so much.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:44

So I was like, that was a different kind of massive fucking loser, so I didn't know about this movie.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:49

I so this movie is kind of hated um in the same way that a lot of Diablo Cody films are hated. Um she wrote it and she has a very distinct writing style. She did Jennifer's Body and she did um Juno.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:04

Oh fuck.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:06

That is so yeah, I think it's a lot of people. Jennifer's body did, where it didn't do so hot and released.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:14

I I think it there's a lot of crossover. There's a lot of crossover with the the fucking Snyder Bros. Where it was like, how dare she make these women empowering films be about other things, like, oh, it's a horror movie. She sick, oh it's every time Jennifer's body comes up online, I'm just like, what the fuck are these dickheads talking about?

SPEAKER_01 1:02:34

Unfortunately, the way that Jennifer's body was advertised kind of lied to the viewers, and so they they did feel lied to you, and so that fueled the hate for it a lot.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:43

Come and see this John Carpenter film, and it's like, ha, Nora Ephron.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:47

Yeah, because they were like, oh look, they're kissing, they're lesbians, and here's um Megan Fox's tits, and then it wasn't about that, and so obviously that made them angry because they were horny and didn't get anything from it, so that that makes them angry. But I'm sort of waiting for this film to have that sort of turnaround again of uh it it it had been critically penned mostly by men on its release, and I'm waiting for it to get its flowers in the same way that Jennifer's body does, because I think it's on that level of like cult classic, and I think in a few years we can look back on it and be like, oh no, I was right actually, everybody fucks with this movie now.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:26

Um you were listening to you were listening to revisionist history with little massage.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:32

And it's the same for Catherine Newton, who we've already discussed, I love her, she's one of my favourite actresses right now, actors in general. Um but she is she's kind of hated in certain circles, certain masculine circles. Um just being kind of cringe and annoying. Um, but like every movie I've seen her in, I've loved. I loved Abigail, I loved like she's just fantastic, and she does Lisa so well. She's you know kind of not ditzy, like she's not an idiot, but she's so such a human character, and I think with Diablo coding Cody's kind of extreme writing style, it's hard to ground the characters sometimes.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:14

When she gotta make a movie with Sydney Sweeney though, but uh I love Frankenstein in most forms.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:23

I've not met Frankenstein I don't like, I haven't seen it yet, and I'm very excited because I've heard some great things about it, so I'm very keen to watch it. But um, this one's just such a fun, silly take on it. You get the neon sort of colours of the 80s, and you know, a guy gets his dick cut off. What what is here that you wouldn't like? Nothing, just watch it. I'm so serious, please watch it for me.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:47

I don't think you're allowed to no, I'm not making that joke. Anyway, we're going back to the film Nosferatu.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:54

Yeah, tell me about it. Also 2024.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:57

Um I got scared because I've written my notes and then I'm like, oh, what if it's the old one?

SPEAKER_01 1:05:02

I think I put it in brackets for you because I did the same thing. But I I also love the old one, the original. Um you can watch the whole thing on YouTube because it's uh I was gonna say tax and duty free. That is not correct.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:15

For such a handsome man, Nicholas Holt is really making a career out of weird facing a lot of films, and that's why I love him so much because I have unfortunately loved him since Skins. Same. Um, and like that's where I got to know him, and then Warm Bodies just give me a few.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:30

Warm bodies were so fantastic, and then the menu. Oh my god, like I could go on about my love for this man.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:36

What did you think of um Nicolas Cage, Ren Renfield?

SPEAKER_01 1:05:40

Loved it. Yeah, loved it. What a silly, fun movie, and I love Nick Cage anyway. Um but this film is so disgustingly horny, and it it's such a like using this horiness as an interpretation of like grief and trauma. Is so deeply interesting to me. And then paired with like Robert Egger's insane visuals, I just I love everything about this film. I can't we went and saw it in cinema, which you know I never do.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:13

It's the vampire boner film.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:14

You know I never go see a film in cinema, and I'm so glad I did because experiencing this on the big screen was just such a cool experience, such a beautiful film. I'm pretty desperate to own.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:25

Uh do you think the working title was De Killer?

SPEAKER_01 1:06:30

Oh, and speaking of cosplay, I can't remember this cosplayer's name. So I apologize. Someone did, I saw online, someone cosplayed Nosferatu, but it was Nosferatatouille. And so they had Count Orlock in this film, you know, he wears the bigger. Yeah, yeah, with the fucking Remy under that. She did a massive fur hat, and then I had like an opening in the hat where you could see a rat sticking out, and it was the funniest thing I've ever seen, and it was such a the rest of the Count Orlock was quite screen accurate and very well done, and then it was just Nosferatatouille. That's that's my new obsession.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:02

That's fucking perfection. That was my favorite thing about everything everything everywhere all at once.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:08

What a fantastic film.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:10

The fact it just has like, you know what? Let's dedicate 15 minutes to ratatouille love.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:15

Yes.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:15

What a film.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:16

Also, the costuming in that film is amazing. Like, obviously, as like a costume design.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:20

I love telling people to see that film with no, no. I'm so glad I went in with nothing. Same did same. I want people to see it not knowing anything about it.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:28

I really connect with movies through their costuming, and so films like everything everywhere all at once. And even Nostraatu, like, it's so beautiful to see people still really give a shit about costume design and want it to mean something in their films.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:42

Well, there goes all my questions about the next film we're gonna talk about because we're going back to 2008 to repo the genetic opera.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:49

More great costumes, you guys.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:52

This movie. I don't want to I don't want to dumb down the word weird. This is a bizarre so weird.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:01

This is a fucking bizarre quintessential weird girl films, um, like Lisa Frankenstein. If you're you know, I was 15 when I first watched this film, and Emily Lestrange t-shirt projected onto a exactly it it's such a core moment for me watching this film for the first time because I was like, oh my god, there are people out there who get it.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:25

Coraline's gonna grow up to write fan fiction of this film, exactly the way I would describe it.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:30

And R.I.P. Anthony head, first of all, but I had such a massive crush on him in this film, which probably shouldn't have. And also Grave Robber, Terrence Doonich.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:40

Um but as much as she was fantastic in it, I think this movie was always undersold because it just became another film that Paris Hilton was in, and it's so much more than that.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:48

But I love it, and I love that she still talks about this film and acknowledges that she was in it and enjoyed her time with it because I love Paris Hilton, and I and I I love that she was up for the weirdness of it, and I just think that's incredibly cool. Um, but yeah, Darren Lynn Bozeman, who did Saw, basically used a bunch of the Saw money to get this film made, and I love Saw as a franchise as well. So realizing retrospectively that they were this connected was so cool.

SPEAKER_03 1:09:19

I love that it has such a 1970s sci-fi bleak dystopian existence.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:25

Right, and then like the comic book elements to that as well that add on to the way it manages to tell you the entire story of like how civilization came to be this, and then also what happened with um the characters' backstories in such a succinct way that doesn't the pacing is so difficult to do, and I think they do it really well.

SPEAKER_03 1:09:46

It always reminds me of the uh John Carpenter's terrible sequel uh Escape from LA, where he runs into the plastic surgery cult. Yes, and I'm like, that's like give me a whole movie of that. It's like, well, here's Repo, the generic opera.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:00

And there's so many like icons in this. You've got Bill Mosley, who's one of my favourite actors, especially horror film actors of all time, as Luigi.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:09

Um was he in any films about Chainsauce? That's what he should do. That's what he should do.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:14

He should definitely be in like, and they should make the poster a breakfast club parody. Yes, yeah, that would be so sick.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:20

What if he scratched his metal plate with a hot uh coat hanger? Like, these are all things that could happen.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:25

I think he would kill that role, honestly.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:28

Think about it, Bill.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:28

And Joan Jett is here for like 30 fucking seconds, but what a 30 seconds Joan Jet had as like almost a figment of Shiloh's imagination in the film.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:38

Like, it's just what I like is it's dystopian and it it's more Rocky Horror Picture Show than it is Blade Runner.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:46

Well, now because the film has such a cult following, they do midnight screenings of repo, and sometimes they do have a shadow cast like Rocky Horror. Like it's a whole it's almost like Rocky Horror for the weird kids, and Rocky Horror was already weird, you know. It's just so such a cool legacy for them to have and to be compared to Rocky Horror, I'm sure they're quite happy with too. But I just I love everything about this movie. I went and re-watched it quite recently again, uh after uh Anthony's passing, because I that's what I know him from. I was never a Buffy kid. I knew him from Merlin as Uther Pendragon, um, which those behind-the-scenes photos of him on his pink DS light, my heart, I can't. Um, but him in this film was how I knew him, so I definitely had to go back and re-watch it. And that it was gonna be on this list either way, but again, because I'd seen it so freshly, I'm like, no, yeah, this movie still slaps.

SPEAKER_03 1:11:44

It's time to move back to 2006. God, I'm fucking old. Starring Christina Rishi, James McAvoy, Catherine O'Hara, Peter Dinklage. We are talking about the film Penelope, a young woman born with a pig nose due to a family curse, uh becomes a stand-up comedian that's named Amy Schumer. No, I'm mixing that up with real life. Sorry, what's this movie?

SPEAKER_01 1:12:07

So first of all, what a fucking lineup of a cast.

SPEAKER_03 1:12:11

This is the gritty uh reimagining of Miss Piggy.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:15

Um, so basically Christina Ricci uh plays an heiress to like a well-off family, but they were cursed a few generations back for the next born girl to be born with a pig face. However, um they had sons who had sons who had sons who had a daughter, but that daughter was actually not his.

SPEAKER_03 1:12:39

She she was watered down enough to not cop the whole curse.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:42

No, so um the the mum who was not a direct descendant of the curse had an affair, so it wasn't the dad's baby, so she didn't cop the curse because it wasn't that family's baby. So then they had a son who had a son, and then Penelope comes along. So she has the curse. I love so much the concept of this historic curse only coming to fruition in modern day because they managed to just avoid it by pure fluke.

SPEAKER_02 1:13:09

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:10

Um, and then you get into um this self-acceptance. The whole thing is about accepting yourself and how you are, because Penelope's really made to hate the way she looks because her mum uh her mum's all about which beautiful Catherine O'Hara who we love.

SPEAKER_03 1:13:28

Um great.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:30

Oh my gosh. Uh she she's very appearance-based, you know, they're a well-to-do family, so she she's she in her mind she's protecting Penelope from the outside world, but really it just makes Penelope go, oh well, my face is preventing me for doing the stuff I want. So I hate my face now too. Yeah. And then, you know, the whole story I would like people to watch it, but I'm gonna spoil it here. Basically, she she's going to get married with this guy she doesn't even like, who's been horrible to her this whole film, not James McAvoy. Um and then they're at the altar, she's about to say I do, and she goes, I don't fucking want to. And she runs away, and then Catherine's character goes after her and goes, like, No, you have to break the curse, and she's like, I don't want to break the curse, I like who I am. Because in the meantime, she's ran away from home and gotten sort of local celebrity famous for her face and has made heaps of friends. So she's like, No, I like how I am, I'm okay with it. And ironically, that's what breaks the curse. Because the curse was the curse was um the curse can only be broken by one of her own kind, which her mum took to assume um like a high class uh like a family, but it just meant anyone, and so obviously she gets really bad mum guilt of like I could have broken the curse the whole time. My bad. Yeah. Um, and it's just such a beautiful, it's very cheesy, like it's a kids' romance film, but this is the movie that I watch every time I'm sad, every time I'm sick. Like my partner knows if I've put on Penelope, he needs to like do a quick.

SPEAKER_03 1:15:03

I need some self-worth and acceptance right fucking now.

SPEAKER_01 1:15:07

I love and she's her face is not even very horrific. Again, it's for kids, so you can't make it like very scary. It's just like a cutie little pig, like Miss Piggy knows with like ears, and that's it. She's still Christina Ritchie, she's still fucking beautiful.

SPEAKER_03 1:15:20

And she's wearing the costume from Black Snake Moan, so it's for everyone.

SPEAKER_01 1:15:24

And like I love James McAvoy, so him as the love interest, it's very easy to like him. He gets involved because he's they think he's uh so Peter Dinklage's character is a reporter, and they're trying to get a photo of Penelope because he tried to get a photo when she was a baby, and Catherine O'Hara beat his ass, and that's why he wears an eye patch. Um so he's trying to get his reputation back by proving she even a lowercase eye patch.

unknown 1:15:48

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:15:49

That's able as you shouldn't. I'm not cutting it out. I'm not cutting it out.

SPEAKER_01 1:15:55

Oh my gosh. So they think James McAvoy is from this wealthy family, but they get the wrong guy. The actual guy's Nick Frost. Um, and so he becomes interested in Penelope, but rejects her because he knows he can't break the curse because he's not actually highborn. And it's just it's such a good story. Please go watch it. The outfit's iconic, her scarf and coat that she wears when she runs away. I want to cosplay so badly. It's so pretty. I love everything about this film.

SPEAKER_03 1:16:23

Uh, fantastic. Believe it or not, we did it. We did it. I had set aside another eight hours thinking that once we started talking about when we started talking about ghosts.

SPEAKER_01 1:16:34

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:16:35

I think we should do an episode uh Villain Versace's Guide to Ghost. I would love to the name of the title. I'm always excited to have you back.

SPEAKER_01 1:16:43

That will be eight hours long.

SPEAKER_03 1:16:44

Where can people check out everything you have going on with your cob cosplay? Codplay. You play with a fish. This is fucking weird. There's uh don't yuck someone's yum.

SPEAKER_01 1:16:56

Hey, it's gotta be a fetter somewhere.

SPEAKER_03 1:16:58

That and your small business. Sell us, sell us.

SPEAKER_01 1:17:01

Villain underscore Versage for all of the cosplay goodness. I'm about to be a creator at Avcon, so you'll catch me there, which is so exciting. You find me on TikTok as well with the same username, and then small business stuff. You can find me at villain underscore valentine. We haven't officially launched yet, but that will be coming in July for all of the time.

SPEAKER_03 1:17:20

Oh, the two people that listen to this episode, you'll be fine. It's still a software.

SPEAKER_01 1:17:24

Start doing um hopefully artist alleys and markets and stuff like that as well. So that's really exciting.

SPEAKER_03 1:17:30

Awesome. Well, thank you for once again another great collaboration. Um, I don't know that that joke you made about Peter Dinklage was uh very good, but we'll live if he gets it. This is the David Damage Joe. Thank you for listening to the David Damage Joe. If you enjoyed what you heard, it'd be really rad if you would leave me a review or rating wherever you listen. Good or bad, it all helps. And there's also more exclusive content over on Patreon, joining our Discord, or just straight up send me hate for help via all the socials. Please don't forget it means the world to me that you've wasted your time listening to me waste mine.